hello, yesterday I made this same question (althoug, here I'll present it clearly): is there any other OS that supports squeduling of threads in the kernel layer (kernel memory shared, so they can use any cpu time slice available) like in opensolaris?

what?

that makes almost entirely no sense at all

bimbo, yes

sbahra: you could understand that?

the opensolaris kernel is multithreaded, every process or thread makes no difference to it

bimbo, it does.

sbahra: it does make a difference you mean?

bimbo, do you mean is there any operating system that can schedule kernel threads using the same policy (or similar) it schedules userspace threads with?

hmm not quite

let me try to formulate the question again

bimbo, or do you mean Solaris is 1:1 now?

e^ipi, I guess not ;-)

solaris is 1:1 now

what do you mean by 1:1?

Since 9

1 kernel thread per user space thread

bimbo, http://threads.seas.gwu.edu/cgi-bin/man2web?program=kse&section=

ah, ok, that's what I mean sbahra

bimbo, N:N = 1:1

bimbo, Linux, FreeBSD (with libthr), Mac OS X

what about windows nt?

I'm not sure.

Ask in #win32

ok, thank you sbahra

good to know there's a term for what I meant (1:1)

I suggest you get the book "Solaris Internals".

Best book if you want to learn about modern operating system design and implementation, imho.

I've been reading it, that is why I asked (haven't finish it)

It's in the book :-)

Long discussion about M:N vs N:N and why they ended up going with N:N

I'll keep reading the book, thanks sbahra

I also suggest a more "basic" book, too. To learn about virtual memory, etc...

And terminology.

no problem with that, I already know basic operating system terms and functions

but thank you agian

cool

computer architecture a quantitativa approach is a nice basics book for that

nachox, yes :D

I actually am re-reading it

which revision?

latest

hi!

4th? the one about the new ultrasparc?

is it possible to install opensolaris without any CD driver?

like, boot the installer from the hd/a usb pendrive?

nachox, that one is available illegally. :-)

(without another opensolaris available, neither any virtualization tool)

i believe it is, yes, i think there was a thread about that in the mailing lists recently

wasn't there 1 last year?

4th edition is 2006 apparently

sbahra: i like my books on paper or audio :)

I always have an electronic copy with a paper copy.

Just so I can effectively use them as a reference.

hi everybody

does anybody experienced problems trying to download S10U5 from Sun's site recently?

I keep having issues with open solaris breaking itself

[20:27] <fr4g> anyone knows a command to display physical memory, o ram installed? , prtdiag -v dont show me the ram installed :S

[20:28] <fr4g> the server is a sunfire X4100

it does on my sunfire x4100

seems like every time I turn around it complains about missing symbols

fr4g: this is what I get from prtdiag -v on nv_92 on a x4100: http://pastebin.com/d515e2eb

thanks alanc but where is the ram installed, i only see the slots and dimms, but i sparc i can see a parameter that show the total memory

?

oh, that's what you meant

I don't know why prtdiag doesn't show that, but prtconf | head does

hm let me try

System Configuration: Sun Microsystems i86pc

Memory size: 3968 Megabytes

cool

thanks!

alanc, you know about tarantella or Secure Global Desktop?

I know what they are, haven't used it since before Sun bought it though

i install the pkg today, but a ihave a problem when a try to acces to default applications, i get and error

Error Fault String: Invalid application server

.../_ens/o=appservers/cn=Tarantella server iforce

View Error Details

Launch failed.

Application: .../_ens/o=applications/cn=Mozilla (iforce)

Fault Code: Server.InvalidHostname

Fault String: Invalid application server

Fault Detail: .../_ens/o=appservers/cn=Tarantella server iforce

i get this error

:S

i dont have idea what is happen

sorry, I have no idea

anyway thanks a lot for the help

when is the new iso going to be out?

the current one really sucks

there's already a test one out

regular place

I just don't get how the kernel keeps breaking

Maybe it doesn't like you.

I install a few packages and it's dead

bda has installed many pkgs and hasn't had any issue.

With pkg installation or upgrades.

I did update as well

you sure it's the kernel, and not just IPS messing up your boot env?

e^ipi: did they talk you into believing indiana is the best thing ever now that you work at JAVA?

well, I don't know

I'm a linux guy, not solaris

what would you use if you had 3TB of data to backup? tape backup? what kind of device is supported by solaris?

tape is good but expensive. depending on the value of the data, simply backing it up to hotswap disks might be enough

hey auralis

yo

what's up?

not much

hi

hi

jbk do u know whether if solaris can read zfs partitions created by opensolaris? cuz my mac with zfs driver won't do it

i'm just weary about the whole version issue

well that's going to be the deciding factor

i'm not sure if you can create pools with older versions or not

oh ok

what about solaris 10 U5 ?

not sure

crap my porn

ok

does the boot archive change every time I reboot?

Gman: jeez man, observatory again?

damn Im fed up with this... I spent all my *** day looking for information and trying configurations in order to run gcc compiler .... ALWAYS when I try to "./configure" any application i have this output:

configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables

Which distro?

I've included path in SU and LOGIN with no results

Indiana proyect

You have gcc and gcc-dev installed?

yes

Odd.

and the studio packet too

It just doesn't work

:S

bda is pretty sure he just installed them and it Worked.

Had to rebuild pidgin.

I research all day.. I dont know what else i can do ... I cannot compile by my own an application :S

xinek: what software package?

please do "pkg verify -v gcc-dev"

also "echo $PATH"

wait me a second...

finally, "gcc --version |grep GCC"

PACKAGE STATUS

pkg:/gcc-dev OK

/usr/gnu/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin

that's the "echo $PATH" output

gcc (GCC) 3.4.3 (csl-sol210-3_4-20050802)

(i guessed :p)

ok, so you have gcc

what software package did you try to compile that errored out?

actually, just upload the config.log/configure.log

and send me a link

that'll tell me why it failed

but... the thing is that all applications give me the same error

just name one

wine

and upload the config.log or configure.log

so, wine isn't going to build, although it should find gcc, it's going to be a PITA to get wine working

any other packages?

ruby-1-8-2

mm

what else..

ruby should build

go into the ruby directory, do a ./configure

and send me the config.log or configure.log that it outputs

(upload it somewhere and send a link)

where can I upload it? :P

webserver or something? if you don't have one, just email it to ormandj@corenode.com

nopaste.com

bda: or, yes, one of those type of sites will work, pastebin, no paste, etc

xinek: why not just use the wine packages i pointed you at the other day?

I did... but the problem is with gcc

i dont care wine

xinek: did you send the configure.log?

but I cannot do the same for each application

yes irmandj

I've just did

let me go check

ah, it's detecting gcc

but failing on the build

pkg verify -v SUNWcsl

the output you showed me suggests you've corrupted libld.so.4

pkg:/SUNWcsl OK

bash-3.2# pkg verify -v SUNWcsl

PACKAGE STATUS

pkg:/SUNWcsl OK

xinek: http://nopaste.com/p/aoeEAm2xn

there's the output for any who want it

xinek: also show your 'crle' output

my crle??

as in, run 'crle' and put the output in nopaste.com or something of the sort

sorry.. I don't know what's that...

I see..

paste here the output from 'md5sum /lib/libld.so.4'

I didn't know about that xD

xinek: crle is used for configuring/displaying library paths

Default configuration file (/var/ld/ld.config) not found

Platform: 32-bit LSB 80386

Default Library Path (ELF): /lib:/usr/lib (system default)

Trusted Directories (ELF): /lib/secure:/usr/lib/secure (system default)

08c8cfeb1012805d0a3a02cfc9c57959 /lib/libld.so.4

hm, that's correct

when you installed gcc/gcc-dev

did you do anything else?

modify any configuration files anywhere?

no that I remember...

hey, wait, are you using a normal ruby source tarball?

yes..

ok, let me fetch one and try

but..

far than that.. it happens all the time..

i was just looking at your configure flags

and you've got all kinds of stuff in there

all crap?

just didn't get the point of a lot of it

like --enable-languages

might be some default, no idea

trying to fetch ruby to find out, their ftp site isn't responding to me :p

the thing is..

when I was trying to compile wine

e^ipi helps me and give me a packet prepared for solaris

so.. it does not matter if is ruby or what

xinek: i understood that already, no need to keep repeating yourself

okz

i still think it's some package not installed

SUNWhea or SUNWsprot or something

e^ipi: the configure.log is showing issue with libld.so.4, i'm checking what i see on my box

I also am not sure why he keeps insisting on gcc rather than studio

I've also installed sunexpress studio...

e^ipi: i just configured/built ruby with gcc on osol b95

so it's something he's done with his box

as i just installed gcc-dev, and nothing more

xinek: and i'm sure if you set CC=cc and placed /opt/SunStudio/bin at the front of your path you'd be able to use it

but since pkg verify is really broken half the time it seems, i don't trust it

xinek: run 'ldd ld', paste me the output, then run 'mcs -p ld'

and paste, then 'uname -a'

xinek: finally, run 'pkg install SUNWtoo'

then try configure

it sounds like maybe that didn't get updated properly in your upgrade

ldd: ld: cannot open file: No such file or directory

so is that...

xinek: yeah

so

mcs: ld: cannot open file.

run 'pkg install SUNWtoo'

No such file or directory

then try ./configure again

you needed to enter the paths to ld :)

how do I enter the paths to ld???

xinek: for the last time, 'pkg install SUNWtoo'

then try configure again

ha ha sorry for bother you

xinek: echo "PATH=/usr/SunStudio/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/xpg6/bin:/usr/xpg4/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/sfw/bin:/usr/gnu/bin" > ~/.bash_profile

then log out

and log back in

Do you really mean > ? :)

yeah, why not... nothing else in there but PATH

use >> if you really want to, but i don't see the point

PHASE ACTIONS

Removal Phase 49/49

Update Phase 1156/1156

Install Phase 97/97

it seems that was already installed..

but now.. it worked...

./configure WORKS

it'd work better if you do what i posted

that was what I did..

after the installation...

also, congrats... you're now standards compliant

xD

that's the 'xpg4' and 'xpg6' bits

would you explain to me what these: echo "PATH=/usr/SunStudio/bin:/usr/ccs/bin:/usr/xpg6/bin:/usr/xpg4/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/sfw/bin:/usr/gnu/bin" > ~/.bash_profile supouse to mean??... I know that creates a bash_profile but... how did you know all the PATH string??:S It doesn't have any sense to me...

xinek: glad it fixed your problem, it sounds like your upgrade didn't properly work, i've heard there are bugs related to some packages goofing up SUNWtoo

SunStudio is sun studio....

(which has ld)

ccs is the c compiler collection ( linkers and what not )

anyways, enjoy your working build system now

xpg stuff is the standards compliant stuff

/usr/bin and /usr/sbin are what they are

then comes the open-source broken stuff

sfw = solaris freeware, and gnu = GNU stuff without the g-prefix ( make instead of gmake )

don't do what e^ipi said if you want to use gcc, it'll set you up to use sun studio. if you want to use sun studio, then do what he said :)

ormandj: usually not actually

ormandj: most open-sauce stuff will try gcc first before cc

some of it respects CC

yeah, fair enough, most of those configure scripts are gnu-ized

well, gotta get back to work. cheers

but i often have to drop /usr/sfw from my $PATH

anyway... I will ivestigate more about this... thank you both

hi there

d

okiedokie then

how to access to my opensolaris machine from my ubuntu pc xith a Xsession on ctrl-Alt F8 and be back to my ubuntu session with Ctrl-Alt F7

is there a wiki for this ?

I am attempting to run OpenSolaris on my Dell Inspiron 6000 (laptop) with a built in wireless internet card but I cannot connect to my secured network, can anyone help?

alibb: what the hell are you talking about?

e^ipi, a remote X access

e^ipi: running an X server on a virtual terminal on his ubuntu, which is a slave to solaris (probably using xdcmp)

alibb, so you know the solution - remote X access

ok smtms , but how ?

oh, loonix's silly vterms nonsense

you should just be able to xdmcp in

X -query <blahblah>

it's in the man pages

I have been slaving over this wireless internet issue for hours to no avail, I have tried everything I have read and nothing has worked.

trojatra: is your nic supported?

e^ipi, no access with xdmcp

security pbm

e^ipi, what do you mean or how would I check that?

hi. does anyone know of a howto for installing opensolaris on sparc hardware?

ssh -X in and run xnest?

or whatever it's called

trojatra: check the HCL

bradd: put SXCE cd in. boot

bradd: follow instructions

bradd: reboot. c'est fini

ok, makes sense.. thanks

its dropping me into open firmware

e^ipi, sorry, what's the HCL?

hardware compatibility list

e^ipi, nevermind, yes it should be.

bradd: "boot cdrom"

e^ipi, it's an Intel wireless network card, 2200 I believe, which is supported.

should be through iwi IIRC

how's zones+zfs integration these days in the various solaris/opensolaris flavors? still a mess?

oxygene, its a dvd drive.. I try 'boot dvd' but I get Error short disk read

oxygene: it's been fine for a long time

e^ipi, when I boot from the CD a box pops up asking me which to connect to and then the passcode, I enter it in, and a little bit after that it says iwi0 has gone down, or something of the sort

e^ipi, yes, it is iwi

bradd: it doesn't matter... boot cdrom

bradd: boot cdrom - but error short disk read indicates that your drive can't do 512 byte reads

boot cdrom gives me 'can't open boot device'

oxygene, maybe theres a jumper? Or should I just install a scsi cdrom and get the cd-rom images?

e^ipi, I'm on the live cd right now because my install got obliterated after trying something I read to reconfigure the network.

bradd: some devices have a jumper, for others there are firmware upgrades

bradd: you could also always just jumpstart it

whats a jumpstart? tftp or somesuch?

http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/jet/

yeah, bootp + tftp + nfs

all wrapped in a neat package

trojatra: sounds suspiciously like a bug in the iwi driver

e^ipi: sorry, I stopped looking closely after the indiana stuff came up

ok, i'm gonna look for a jumper then try jumpstart.. Thanks for the help

e^ipi, do you know of a way to switch my network from iwi0 to wlan0 (which all other OSs have used for my wireless)?

oxygene: i dunno, i don't pay attention to indiana

trojatra: "other os's" = linux, presumably

e^ipi, yes.

and no... solaris has meaningful names for things

not meaningless gibberish like "hda" or "eth0"

e^ipi: There is a way of renaming interfaces

renaming the device to wlan0 would involve 1) a recompile and 2) would accomplish nothing but cosmetic changes

But I don't remember how. :)

trochej: which serves what purpose exactly?

e^ipi: giving an interface a more meaningful name than 'iwi0'

then your ifconfig will have a different name

e^ipi: I don't know. I remember from timfs' blog project vanity

e^ipi: like 'ext' or 'int-dmz'

_mary_kate_: but renaming it to wlan0 ?

pointless and stupid.

e^ipi, I am almost certain that I have had wireless internet on OpenSolaris before, because I know I used both my desktop (Linux at the time) and laptop (OpenSolaris at the time) ont he internet (troubleshooting OpenSolaris via Linux) both on the internet, though only one cat5 cable in this room. my laptop must have been wireless

trojatra: could be *shrug*

trojatra: just taking a guess at the problem

e^ipi: so it didn't die-by-RIF in the meantime.. hmm

it could be nwam being retarded

you could disable it and use the network gui thing to try it

e^ipi, attempted mulitple times :\

( svcadm disable network/physical:nwam; svcadm enable network/physical:default )

ok.. my drive has 2048/512 block size.. I want 512 right?

bradd: CD-ROM drive? yes

dvd

bradd: should be the same - the openfirmware on sparcs does 512 byte requests

e^ipi, I used the device driver utility on the live cd and receieved, under Network: "Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX Driver Missing!"

Though above that the Inel Wireless Network Connection has the iwi driver

'Short disk read' in openfirmware on a dvd drive means its not set at 512bytes/sec ?

trojatra: 100Base-TX doesn't sound like wireless to me

trojatra: yeah, that's just the wired driver

That's what I thought :\

and i wouldn't be surprised if murayama has one anyways

But I HAVE the wireless driver, why can't I connect?

i have no idea... i don't really have any wireless machines with solaris on 'em

your best bet is probably ask laptop-discuss

( @opensolaris.org )

Hi

COuld someone teach me a lesson?

you want to be slapped around a bit?

Is there a reason OpenSolaris doesn't include Dvorak as a default option for keyboard layout?

trojatra: i ask myself that every night

or rather, i bitch to Gman about that every time i install a new machine

e^ipi, heh, I haven't even figured out how to make it default after install (if there is a way..)

ok, i have removed my dvd drive. in open firmware i do 'boot dvd' and it gives 'short read error' with the dvd uninstalled.. when I put the dvd back in, can i somehow get 'boot dvd' (or 'boot cd') to refer to the right drive?

ie. is there a default scsi-id for sun dvd / cd roms?

Apparently EVERYONE has a ton of trouble with Inspiron 6000s and wireless internet. Screw it. I love the OS but I can't bring down my encryption (as one person suggested) and I'm tired of fiddling with it to no avail.

*shrug*

probably a bug

bradd: used to be 6 I think

yup, i'm trying 6 now.. hopefully it works

I have a solaris host here that's giving me issues. It's really slow to respond on the local console, I have nfs coming and going.... 1 cpu is at 100% according to vmstat, but prstat isn't showing anything using as much as 1% cpu.... what gives?!

Hello everyone

is there anyone knows how long to get the welcome letter and license key after register and downloading Sun studio 10?

studio 10?

they're up to 12!

yes, 10

there's a document to describe that only studio 10 is available

Ma1, unless you're wanting support and developing commerical apps (I think) then Studio 11 and 12 are free to use. they've also got some performance gains over studio 10

Thank you seanmcg, I would not prefer the version 10, just do it according to the document.. as you say, I'll try 11 or 12.

Ma1, what document are you talking about?

http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/devref_toc/devref_2/

developer reference on Opensolaris.org

Ma1, that doc is a bit out of date with regards the compiler version. solaris currently uses studio11 and will move to using 12 for SXCE99

have a look at the link for the tools off that document you're looking at here: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/sun_studio_tools/

that page has the pointers to sun studio 11

no license needed.

seanmcg, got it, thank you

I'm back from holidays!

sickness: cool!

the man page for pkg shows pkg image-update [-nvq] the online docs for IPS show just nv.. which is correct? (I assume the online docs)

codestr0m: to do what?

you're upgrading osol b## to b95?

because depending on which version of osol you're on now, there are different update procedures, due to changes related to development in the system

you'll want to check the osol-discuss mailing list for the specific update procedures for each release, at least until 2008.11, when it's supposed to be stabalized

ormandj: I'm already on snv_95, but I saw there was a security alert this week. so wanted to see if any updates were available that explicitly covered this

codestr0m: pkg image-update -nv will work fine, then

http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-66-240706-1

oh

that one?

if you read the notes, it only affects osol up to b89

you're good to go :)

-n makes no changes.. -v just tells me what it's going to update though.. with the -v only changing.. "pkg:/SUNWicdc@0.5.11,5.11-0.94:20080721T201603Z -> pkg:/SUNWicdc@0.5.11,5.11-0.95:20080807T160140Z"

ormandj: ok. I just read "Product: Solaris 8 Operating System Solaris 9 Operating System Solaris 10 Operating System OpenSolaris"

I'm slowly getting a procedure down for updates and maintenance.. I'll make sure I read more explicitly

yeah, you're fine on that update. i don't know how pkg is currently working, but according to documentation -nv would be correct. -v doesn't have anything to do with preventing the updates from being applied, so if it's not applying the updates, that's just a coincidence/bug, it should, even with -v, unless you specify -n

no. I got that

I just wasn't sure what -q does

things (might) be funky until 2008.11, at which point i've read things should be of more than beta quality, which they are now

that being the discrepancy

oh, -q is the opposite of -v

ok.. I think it defaults to be pretty quiet

v tells it to show progress as it's working

didn't notice a difference

gotcha..

codestr0m: yeah, might not be one now, it's still a bit in flux from my experience

well. I'm probably going to create a script which does a loop.. 1 time to see the full amount of updates.. and then the 2nd to make sure to apply only security updates

the problem is translating this rss feed + notes to something which is queryable*

which feed are you following?

http://blogs.sun.com/security/entry/sun_alert_240706_covert_channel

I can pull the actually rss if you need

actual*

that's quite enough, i was just curious to see what you were following, and if i could provide any additional insight

http://blogs.sun.com/security/feed/entries/rss

yeah, pulled it myself :)

I'm not sure if this is the wholly* grail (*intentional) for where to get info, but parsing bugtraq at this point is overkill for what would be probably more noise than I want to deal with

yeah, i just looked at the rss feed, i don't see any parsable tag for operating system

so you could single out specific versions

it's more of the human-readable format

manual work sucks, but I think the effort once a db is setup and tied in would be fairly easy

if it works out well.. I'll publish the script.. maybe someone else can use it

I'm not sure how many people dare put 2008.5 in production

codestr0m: i hope not many :p

it's good for testing, probably great feedback from that kind of workload, but it certainly hasn't been very friendly with the updates

that said, i run a few dozen servers w/ 2008.5 updated to b95, and haven't had any issues :)

stupid question, but you work at rackspace or just a customer?

job

left google to move back to texas, and rackspace is an awesome company, so :)

I may pm you if you don't mind and I'm curious you feedback in regards to update management

didn't peer1 buy part of rackspace?

(sorry if my memory is foggy)

i can't really discuss anything work related, to be honest

i'm more than happy to help with opensolaris stuff, though!

fatal: liblddbg.so.4: version `SUNWprivate_4.61' not found (required by file /usr/bin/elfedit)

what causes that?

seems like every time I install ss-dev it breaks the system

Blackknight: try pkg verify

hello

I'm looking for an fast to install full solution for very secure (against media/data corruption) storage. Best something that can be easly used INSIDE my desktops (ubuntu,debian; perhaps gentoo) can be via FUSE if needed; But also any other free solution via network server (ie server on say openbsd with access via ftp/ssh to files). What can you reccommend? Curently im looking into btrfs(for linux); and zfs via fuse on linux;

Pietro_S_, everything verifies

rmaj, any file server should do

rmaj: from the btrfs wikipedia page: "As of August 2008, Btrfs is still under heavy development and is only intended for testing."

I probably wouldn't touch ZFS under anything but Solaris either

hmm

does ZFS work well in opensolaris?

yes

so pretty much your choice of known-stable FS on known-stable server OS

rmaj: hell yes - has done for ages

purely for storage serving, ZFS on opensolaris would be my choice

why so?

I'm going to try creating a new BE

for experienced linux user, how much time do I need to have running opensolaris with zfs and serving files via ssh? on x86 or amd64 hardware (I need it just as server). hard drives on pata and sata

rmaj, it's not that hard

rmaj: if you know debian/apt you might like to look at nexenta.org

set up a VM and play with it

and what Blackknight says

so you want to serve the files via scp?

should I try the crossbow iso?

well, there is sshfs

NFS would be faster

yeah I use sshfs

I keep having library issues on open solaris

faster. but more secure?

I haven't had any issues with nfs

seems like every time I install ss-dev it breaks the linker

NFS is more established.

are you sharing your files to Solaris and linux boxes only?

Blackknight: don't you have anyting strange in LD_LIBRARY_PATH (like older sunstudio?)

hey guys will a zpool created under snv_93 be importable on snv_95-96?

yes

but the reverse may not be true

jamesd i see

this may sound myopic, but does Fujitsu understand what SUN needs?

visceral: it sounds odd. how would we know?

visceral, does fitjitsu cares what sun needs... fujitsu needs to make money nothing more

point taken

(and no-one in this channel knows what the hell you're talking about, as we talked about Fujitsu buying Sun in #solaris, not here :) )

oh ya. my bad

I didnt realise I had typed in the wrong channel

wait, sun is for sale?

Tomj thanks i'm going to reinstall 2008.05 and try again

it's reasonable their stock prices dropped below the surface

+

Blackknight: no

Blackknight: but The Register speculated that Fujitsu should buy them

oh, ok

because their value has dropped to around $7b (from $20bn a few years ago)

thats the story since 2003

hmm

what if IBM bought them?

Is there an Out-of-Box webcam for OpenSolaris that anyone knows of, something under $50 ?

that would be horrible

or Microsoft, hehe

Fujitsu is a fairly good match because they already use the SPARC64 chips and sell Solaris

Pietro_S_, that variable doesn't even exist

ld and elfedit both fail to run

IBM and SUN? that would be a very strange marriage