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sstallion yawns.

Howdy

it took me a while to get a working opensolaris system, but being able to play with zpool makes it totally worth it

(thanks to everyone who helped me ;))

(now I need to get a faultly drive, add it in a pool, and see what happens >:))

hello

uski: it's not as exciting as it seems like it should be ;)

I had a SATA controller failing on me, and it just shows up as random checksum errors

interesting

i'll remember that if I start seeing a lot of checksum errors

it was kinda scarry, because both drives were showing checksum errors, but luckily never on the same chunk of data I guess

hmmm, I know that the SMART status of the drives is handled by FMS in opensolaris - how can I query it?

I think the main command is fmadm

paul_f: well maybe the errors were transient, i.e. they were not showing up again if opensolaris asked the drive to re-read the same sector

that can happen if there are communication errors introduced between the drive and the sata controller (i.e. cable crosstalk, ...)

(during reading)

luckily, those drives were mirrored, so I think it could correct from data on the other drive

well, that's true too that a controller problem would cause transient errors

are you guys aware that apropos is broken?

it says windex is missing

run catman -w

(as root)

(yes, that should be done for you. it's not)

thanks

ahh, that's handy

is there anything like chattr?

what does chattr do?

makes files immutable, append only, etc.

(for those interested in my previous question about SMART, it looks like it's handled through the disk-transport module of fmd, the fault manager)

Blackknight: there's a ZFS ACL entry for 'append', but i don't think there's such a thing as an append-only file

does anybody know when build 96 is supposed to hit IPS?

does anybody care?

I was affected by bug 6727872, which is fixed in b96

paul_f: 96 should be published to the IPS repo next week

cool...not a big deal, but it would be nice to have a fix

hmm

now my VM won't boot

something about missing symbols

I booted one of the snapshots though

could not update "running" snapshot

is that bad?

argh

is it normal that my IDE drives (the ones with opensolaris on them) spin down/up right after the system starts booting (after the SunOS Release 5.11 ..... message)?

so far I am not impressed

evening all

evening

grrr, don't buy one of these el-cheapo SATA cards... I have two new ones and one of them has a dead port already (not to mention the fact that they came with an antique BIOS)

anybody know how to get out of maintenance mode?

I can't even bring up the network

svcadm milestone all

why are you in maintenance mode ?

(svcs -x )

system won't boot

says unresolved symbols in the kernel

what are you running?

what symbols are unresolved?

open solaris

which version of opensolaris?

2008.05

well, I did an image-update

did you follow the additional instructions for people image updating from nv_86?

don't think so

(the initial 2005.05 release)

here let me see if I can find them for you...

http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/

- specifically http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/#Update_Inst

that said "unresolved symbols" in your kernel sounds very weird.

thanks

that sounnds like a partial update

yeah, could be I guess.

or perhaps the pkg bug that randomly corrupts files

(try running `pkg verify`)

yeah, I hosed it

yay, it boots now

how do I get rid of all these extra grub entries?

remove them from your menu.lst

ok

now dhcp isn't working

how can I get a list of the ethernet interfaces? maybe with ifconfig?

dladm show-link

or ifconfig -a

that will only show those that have had ip loaded on them

how do I enable a randomness provider?

does pkg use locking?

Unfortunately SXCE does not detect my ethernet and I cannot find any drivers

That's the one driver I need, cause if I have that I can atleast operate it while I'm looking for other things.

which driver?

murayama probably has it

Marvell

http://homepage2.nifty.com/mrym3/taiyodo/eng/

yep

except if it's a 88E8040 (FE+)

then it doesn't work

Hey that's pretty cool

Thanks :D

8139 card maybe a good backup

hi

So. IPS has screwed me over for the 2nd time :-(

I just tried installing the firefox updated, it pulled in various other updates in GNOME.

gnomelibs, etc...

Of course, after doing those "important" things as noted in the release notes, I did this.

The package manager just hung in there (it was sleeping).

And then no applications were working...

No I/O was being done.

zlib was gone, gnome libs were done, etc...

Is this a known issue? I couldn't find it online.

I'm better off not using IPS at all, I guess. My experiences with it have shown it to be too dangerous to use on a workstation :-)

Sigh

sbahra reinstalls

But basically, what appears to have happened is that all my libraries were removed and the update couldn't continue.

bda has yet to have any issues with an IPS upgrade.

Lucky you

I really really would love to use it, but twice something went wrong already.

huh.

I'm almost angry. I want to get back to work already.

huh?

No useful response. :)

I haven't had any issues with it, but I certainly belive they occur.

I'm about to replace my OpenSolaris workstation with a Mac. We switched to using this Javascript-heavy ticketing system, and it makes my entire system unusable. :(

bda generally uses Macs for workstations anyway, so whatever.

sbahra: why don't you create a seperate image and update that one, so your old install is left untouched?

xRaich[o]2x: because pkg didn't work

No zlib. :-)

aaaaaaah ok my fault ^^

xRaich[o]2x: have you done an image update before?

And you survived?

sure. a whole lot of times

Ditto.

Using the package manager GUI?

or from command line?

I went from RC2 to b95.

CLI.

The GUI works? :)

bda: in GNOME?

Yes.

bda: Not very well, some nub design errors

I use the CLI

bda: ok

I am going to try an image update from CLI.

Out of curiosity...

Is the firefox update to ff3?

yep

ff3 came with snv94

Cool, thanks

why don't you use the snv95 respin. so you don't need to update from 86

xRaich[o]2x: is that the Solaris Dever Express Community Edition?

no

indiana

hey guys

xRaich[o]2x: hmmm

hi kupo

howdy

xRaich[o]2x: the "development builds"?

does anyone think a colo'd ultra80 box would be a decent idea?

actaully the procedure to update indiana from 86 to a higher version is a bit tricky since a lot of things have changed

nod, but I did follow all directions, I checked the release notes

ah ok

so where is this indiana iso?

genunix?

there is a torrent somewhere. let me check i need to search the forums

I think I'm right

this is a fresh pcbsd install so i don't have my bookmarks here yet ^^

Let's see if I can download this from the live cd :-P

sbahra usually uses FreeBSD

well it's freebsd only preconfigured

But I really wanted observability stuff Solaris has, I won't be doing any kernel stuff this year most likely

xRaich[o]2x: sort of, yes.

you will love dtrace ;)

I've used dtrace before.

it's an awesome tool

xRaich[o]2x: FreeBSD has dtrace support for the kernel btw

i know

but it still has a long way to go to match the solaris implementation

Why?

I think the "important" stuff is complete now

no userspace tracing. no python providers etc

I really wish pmcstat had a maintainer in FreeBSD

i consider the userspace stuff a lot more useful to me since I'm not hacking on the kernel that much

It has some errors (not following specifications) and is severely outdated.

Alright, it's installed :-D

brb

hello, are the windows nt or linux kernels multithreaded like the sunos 5 kernel?

bimbo: I'm assuming that linux is

what makes you assume that kupo?

linux runs clusters

75% of worlds top500 supercomputers

I'd assumed you'd need to be able to do multithreading for that

the multithreading advantage of the solaris kernel is that it shares the kernel memory

so even if a process has some child threads, the system can put it on a different processor

with my question, I meant this

I don't know if the windows nt or the linux kernels schedulers are able to do this

hmm

Alright, hopefully this time everything will work fine

otherwise pick the respin

nod

Well, I used the GUI both times things broke

Thanks for your help.

no problem

Hi

No ON97 yet?

hi rc10

xRaich[o]2x:Hi

guess who :p

lol hi man ^^

Just at my mates house

Hows things ?

quite ok. still early over here

Its such a nice day down here in Melbourne !

how are things down under?

Tempt:I hope your not sleeping though this one, there are like loads of chicks out today for some reason !?

xRaich[o]2x: As of 97, X is getting built with SS12 :D

nice

I'm still downloading the pcbsd7 beta

xRaich[o]2x:Ah yes, I saw that

Why don't you use FreeBSD, xRaich[o]2x?

from an australian server. i guess i'm using up all the bandwith :P

Um, it *is* FreeBSD dude.

No, it isn't FreeBSD. It is PCBSD which is heavily based on FreeBSD.

yea, your using all of Australias BW man !!

sbahra: i don't want to spend hours on configuring the system ;)

That I understand, my question is...what are the advantages of PCBSD over FreeBSD?

xRaich[o]2x: hours? :-)

I rather install for 30 minutes and that become productive

+1

lol

sbahra: with kde and everything else? yes

sbahra:complie from portage takes time !

sbahra rather install for 10 minutes, download later packages in 10 minutes and then become productive

i try to avoid ports as much as i can

evocallagha: That's why there are packages.

pkg_add -rv gnome2

sbahra:Apples and pares

xRaich[o]2x: Is PC-BSD using KDE4 or 3?

PCBSD have done all the work for you

the beta is using 4

4.1

I see.

I really respect the fact that this atleast gives incentive for molander to pull strings for the FreeBSD community :-P

xRaich[o]2x:Hey, Do you know how to flash the BIOS from Solaris if you have the .ROM ?

Hopefully, sometime soon we'll have a native flash.

evocallagha: nope sorry

:/

You need windows to flash the BIOS with Asus !?

Whats up with that

Would someone send me a SPARC box please ?

well i have native flash under solaris so i don't need it under bsd since i'm just using it as a fallback

I got my 'native' flash-block plugin working fine here

evocallagha: Someone from chaos computer club will give me his old sparc box for nothing ;)

I use wine + flash on FreeBSD.

But i think it's very old hardware. but well. it's a sparc to play with

UltraSPARC II and less are a wast of time

III or greater is worth it

sbahra has a Sun Blade 2000

I like them U10's

Picked it up for $300 on eBay.

4GB RAM, 2 UltraSparc III @ 997MHz

sbahra:As do I, but its in London :(

two 1GHz

I'd rather use an x86 box :-)

evocallagha: An Ultra 10 has an UltraSPARC IIi CPU, though..?

LeftWing:Yea, i don't mind them

But there still a wast of time really

heh

They make good little web servers for a home page or something little

hrm.. still more than an hour to go.. this australian server is so slow....

sbahra: Bah! BIOS's make me spew !

xRaich[o]2x:Your slowing down my connection here !!

harhar

!!! !!!

I'm not joking

Its Australia man !

56K is gold here !

i know. the bottleneck of the www :P

3GB traffic per month.... i lol'd

tell me about it !

The problem with the Sun Blade is that it doesn't fit my decor

I need a purple painting asap.

evocallagha: you must feel like 1995 down there ^^

Has anyone got SFEvlc packages for i86 ?

xRaich[o]2x:Don't be silly ! I had a faster connection back then in England !

XD

note to self: never move to australia

:/

I just been spending my day talking to random girls

So I thought I would come online and check if ON97 is out

Which it is not :(

I'm still waiting for 96 coming to indiana

xRaich[o]2x:Skip it for 97

evocallagha: why do you bother coming here for that? just check the dowload site

dude i just can't resist the joys of upgrading.

http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/

looks like b97 is out

is it in SXCE? i don't know, let's check the SXCE site

http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/sol_ex_dvd_1/

nope, still 96

e^ipi:I checked that a few min ago.

the download link is likely to be more accurate than the IRC topic

e^ipi:True, but its nice to keep up with friends also

so far so good

here we go

echo $1

Laters

anybody else use mutt? http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=3036

Can a root pool not be mirrored ? http://rafb.net/p/TXpBE238.html

root pool can be mirrored plenty fine

http://malsserver.blogspot.com/2008/08/mirroring-resolved-correct-way.html

blagoblag

people who ask a question and run away are stupid

yeah, i know it

i was about to output the short way of doing it

i'm sitting on a root mirror box lol

Coffee?

i could go for some, the stuff we have at the office is crap

Coffee

trochej: where would we be without it? :)

In the age of Stone

agree

junkies

niq rebels with his cuppa tea :-)

Tea is okay. Kids drink tea not coffe, it's normal. :)

botox stirs

:-D

I also drink tea. When I reach my daily coffee limit

Hey there guys!

New OpSolaris user here... im struggling getting video drivers!

any help, or pointers for my ATI Radeon X1100 ?

is there any alive disto of OpenSolaris for SPARC ?

ruse39: SXCE

Coffee

As always, a good idea - thanks for the reminder!

ola tim

yo

and yes, coffee sounds good

\_o<

\_x<

anyone know if there's ever been any thought to get a mac/darwin based brandz?

there where requests for that

really?!

that could be very fun

I'm /sure/ someone @apple.com is absolutely right on it

lol

they've got their *top men* looking into it right now.

BUT as macos/darwin is only allowed to run on apple's hardware there is no official intention to do it

well, the perfect dream for my is a new version of mac os x

based on opensolaris

seriously though, it was mentioned that something like this could be done with brandz

it's just a simple matter of programming

I like how american people use the word "simple" :)

Coffee

http://opensolaris.org/os/community/brandz/brandz_lae_faq/#brandz mentioned bsd, darwin, etc. branded zones.

Guys, weird issue with Coolstack. I have a pkg-inherit /opt, so I install CSK from the global zone. But when I do so, it does not install to any non-global zone. pkgadd output indicates it doesnt even try. So I end up with CSK* packages listed in pkginfo in the global, but not in any zone. Other packages work as expected.

did you pkgadd -G?

no

just a plain pkgadd -d

ok it's a known issue

because it has a request script

hmm... i need to meet people in florida to get them to send me tasty soda sold by the hispanics

i will trade tasty canadian confectionary ( coffee crisp and the likes )

:)

e^ipi, true, it will be something to do for the two weeks a year there is no hockey being played.

my family is mennonite & my grandparents went to south america for a few decades before moving to canada, so I drink a lot of Yerba Mate

wiki says that they make a soft drink out of it that you can get in florida

i want it.

is there some way to forcably remove a (usb) scsi device? it hung during copying from that disk - finally i unplugged it.

the cp process does not seem to be killable

(was unplugged some hours ago)

the disk had nothing to do with zfs, although i was copying from that disk to a zfs

but now even a `zpool status` hangs

and there is a hanging "sync" process

a umount -f succeeds - but the cp and sync (and the umount without -f) are still "running" and hanging

anyone around?

hello

Nope. Nobody but nearly two gross chickens.

lol... I'm trying to make a decision between OpenBSD and one of the flavors of Solaris for a webserver

rasta-man: why OpenBSD?

its a hobby os

"they" say it's good

secure, stable, etc...

OpenBSD is not relevant in the real world

dont bother with it

ok

well, I know 0 about Solaris

never installed it

how much do you know about openbsd?

a little

I've run several flavors of unix/linux

I've never even installed Solaris

depends on how much time you have to learn the finer points of solaris

versus not learning and sticking with your bsd knowledge

well, I don't want there to be too much interaction

I want to setup Apache and MySQL

and configure my websites

is your main concern security?

and update rarely

yes... that and stability

that's why I stay away from linux

well, its down to your sysadmin skills really

too easy for a n00b to break linux

you can secure linux fairly well

I agree

but it is hardly obscure so you dont have that aspect

but it seems too unstable for me

that's why I like BSD's so much more

OpenBSD probably fits your needs better.

(as defined)

if you have the time, getting to grips with solaris is worth doing

but if you dont, obsd

Solaris isn't obscure

zacharym: i didnt say it was

lol

easy guys!

simmer

alright... I guess OpenBSD it is

rasta-man: in fact

fuck openbsd

im going to advocate you use solaris

are all of the Solaris flavors free?

openbsd is irrelevant

Security through obscurity is a myth.

its a waste of your time to learn any more about it

rasta-man: free as in you don't have to pay for them, yes.

zacharym: bullshit.

lol

do you guys live by each other?

I think you two should beat each other up

never met

zacharym puts on some boxing gloves

:D

botox sharpens his scythe

another great thing about OpenBSD is that the documentation is _perfect_

zacharym changes his gameplan, and arms himself with rocket propelled granades

Solaris documentation is pretty good too.

rasta-man: its irrelevant, a hobby os

not worth it in the wider world

install solaris 10

botox: have you used OpenBSD?

and take it from there

rasta-man: i played with it for a few years yes

It'd make a good choice for some routers, or an IDS (OpenBSD that is)

ok

rasta-man: in my non professional days

making sure you aren't one of "those" guys

I just want something stable

how is updating?

rasta-man: what hardware do you want to run it on?

automatic?

*what/which

It will be a VM actually

VMWare

rasta-man: ah well in that case

security dosent matter at all

?

whats your host os going to be?

VMWare

ESX

no, whats your host os going to be

what areyou running vmware on?

uh

the hardware?

ESX is the host OS

lol

is it? i know nothing about esx

I don't think botox has used ESX

How does security not matter at all?

i certainly havent

VMWare ESX is the host OS

yes, vmware esx installs on base hardware

it's really slick

i have never used it.

botox: you should try out ESXi... it's free

i was going to say that your host os must be secure first.

just like ESX without the service console

it is secure

ok

well, it's updated regularly

im not sure solaris is supported... youd have to check that of course

it is

lol

ok

go for it then

solaris 10

I'm looking at the dropdown... and Solaris is listed

how is updating?

automatic?

and doesn't "break" things?

rasta-man: do you want it to be?

yes

and what do you mean by updates? security?

or functionality?

any/all

or stability?

ok

updates to the software that I have on the system

security or non-security

go for solaris 10 you can automate all this

MySQL and Apache work well on there?

rasta-man: i have not heard otherwise

what do you run Solaris for?

how many servers do you have?

sybase

i have many

some sparc some x86

so, no DB's or webservers?

sybase is a db

what kind of DB?

postgres?

rasta-man: do you want database advice aswell?

;)

no, I'm trying to see if your knowledge is something I should listen to

rasta-man: the type of DB sybase is, is sybase

use Coolstack for Mysql, Apache and PHP

rasta-man: i dont care what you listen to

Postgres is included in the full Solaris 10 install ( as are mysql and apache, but I'd still recommend the separate Coolstack as it's optimised, with PHP support)

lol

thanks TomJ

yes thats right rasta, the CAMP stack

ideal for someone like you

;)

seriously though

solaris 10

go get it

botox: I take it you do solaris system administration for a living

zacharym: that is one facet

does sybase have anything to recommend it over Oracle or DB2?

http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/amp/

nice

TomJ: not really, licensing reductions in large volumes

well, thanks guys

I'll give it a shot

what do the paid DBs offer that the free ones don't

take it easy

I've never had to use any commercial DB software.

zacharym: some support

Clustering of various sorts.

Supported out of the box.

i like sybases raw partitioning.. i know its not the only db that works like that, but it just works well

it just works..

clustering with it is a bit of a pain

more so if you are using redhat

is it cheaper than Oracle?

zacharym: no idea i didnt buy it or advocate its purchase

zacharym: but i assume it was for the corporation i work at

else theyd have oracle

What would be the version of solaris with the smallest installed size? I want to run it on an Eee PC 2G.

Absnthe: you can choose what to install

get opensolaris

choose your packages

get it down to 2gb

or slightly less...

on which version? Solaris Express or 2008.05?

Absnthe: personally i would try sxce

Hello all , i try Opensolaris 2008/05 yesterday and i discover that my sound card dosnt work

Phr34ck3R: good for you

thanks botox

Absnthe: you want zfs as root though?

bt ~ # lspci | grep media

00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)