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01:07

<gavo58>

hello

01:07

<gavo58>

I have an opensolaris 10 box, and it refuses to boot

01:07

<gavo58>

panic: can not load boot archive

01:08

<McBofh>

gavo58: you can't have OpenSolaris 10

01:08

<McBofh>

you've got OpenSolaris, _or_ you've got Solaris 10

01:08

<gavo58>

I have it booted into failsafe mode

01:08

<McBofh>

either way, can you boot failsafe from grub?

01:08

<gavo58>

hah

01:08

<gavo58>

opensolaris

01:08

<McBofh>

right

01:08

<McBofh>

so you've booted failsafe

01:08

<gavo58>

right

01:08

<McBofh>

have you mounted your root device or root zfs somewhere?

01:09

<gavo58>

well I was trying to mount it at /a

01:09

<McBofh>

is this osol200805?

01:09

<gavo58>

but all then entries in /dev/dsk say they are read-only

01:09

<gavo58>

and will not mount

01:09

<gavo58>

I am not 100% sure, this is a client machine in our datacenter

01:10

<gavo58>

and I have about 0 experience with solaris in general

01:10

<McBofh>

um

01:10

<McBofh>

do you have /usr/bin/pkg or /usr/sbin/pkg installed?

01:10

<gavo58>

let me check

01:12

<gavo58>

there are a few pkg* but not pkg

01:12

<McBofh>

ok

01:12

<McBofh>

and what does "uname -v" report?

01:13

<gavo58>

SunOS 5.1 Generic*

01:13

<McBofh>

are you sure?

01:13

<McBofh>

on my box it reports snv_93

01:13

<gavo58>

yeah, that would lead me to believe that this guy has no idea what he has

01:14

<gavo58>

and this is probably actually solaris 10

01:14

<McBofh>

grab the output from "uname -a"

01:14

<gavo58>

it's up in failsafe mode

01:14

<McBofh>

you should still be able to get the output from "uname -a"

01:15

<McBofh>

what you need to do, general case, is (a) mount your root slice somewhere handy (like /a or /mnt), then (b) run /sbin/bootadm update-archive -R /a (or /mnt)

01:15

<McBofh>

then sync and reboot

01:15

<McBofh>

have to go - taking cat to vet

01:15

<McBofh>

others here can help you if you need more

01:16

<gavo58>

right

01:16

<gavo58>

I have tried a few different combinations of that from different websites

01:16

<gavo58>

but I can't find the root slice

01:16

<gavo58>

SunOS 5.1 Generic_118855-33 i86pc i386 i86pc

01:17

<gavo58>

that's uname -a

01:35

<stevel>

SunOS 5.1? that's impressive

01:36

<gavo58>

hah

01:37

<gavo58>

is that supposed to make me feel better ;)

01:43

<dwc->

wow

01:46

<knix>

What's more impressive is that it' sx86

01:46

<knix>

And running

01:50

<gavo58>

hah, well it's not running... which is the problem

01:50

<gavo58>

:-/

01:50

<gavo58>

the customer is on the phone with sun right now for $450/hr

01:51

<gavo58>

trying to fix it

01:59

<TomJ>

that's what sun charge for no-support call outs?

02:00

<jamesd>

sounds more like some high level support by a kernel engineer than a simple SSE service call.

02:16

<gavo58>

standard phone support rate

02:17

<gavo58>

if you don't have a support contract

02:34

<dclarke>

dclarke wanders in

02:35

<dclarke>

samba 3.0.32 is available as a "testing" phase package at Blastwave.org .. just FYI .. see http://www.blastwave.org/testing/index_cron.html

02:35

<dclarke>

dclarke wanders away

03:24

<StayTuned2>

that MD has given me lunchtime subject matter again

03:24

<StayTuned2>

I was chatting with this guy who is planning to open a franchise bookstore

03:25

<StayTuned2>

not that he can afford an MD

03:25

<StayTuned2>

right now

03:25

<StayTuned2>

but anyway - it was cool talking about the 250 x 5000 instances of potential XP

03:26

<StayTuned2>

just floating out there in space

03:27

<StayTuned2>

next year will be a new gear year for me.

03:27

<StayTuned2>

then maybe I can buy a few PC's that can run Solaris

04:46

<jbk>

evening

04:46

<Gman>

hi jaybeekay

04:46

<jbk>

hey glynn

05:09

<Ouroboros>

the installer does not modify disks until after the "begin installation" screen, correct?

05:32

<Ouroboros>

i think my boot archive became corrupted somehow, is it possible that this happened when i did 'shutdown' after existing the installer? i remember it saying something about bootadm

05:44

<gnut>

hello all

05:55

<evocallagha>

Hi

05:55

<evocallagha>

Is it poss to rename a pool *before* you import it ?

05:56

<evocallagha>

That is, you have a rpool on a fresh zfs root and your recovering data from a old zfs root also called rpool

06:03

<Tpenta>

yes

06:03

<Tpenta>

zpool import oldname newnane

06:03

<Tpenta>

zpool import oldname newname

06:04

<evocallagha>

oh really that easy

06:04

<evocallagha>

thanks

06:10

<evocallagha>

Tpenta:http://pastebin.com/m58cac7d1

06:10

<evocallagha>

It does not say that in the man page?

06:10

<evocallagha>

http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2240/zpool-1m

06:49

<evocallagha>

I figured it, don't worry. Thanks

07:07

<trochej>

Coffeeeeeeeee

07:07

<thek>

:)

07:19

<StayTuned2>

StayTuned2 gets loaded on Earl Grey

07:29

<trochej>

Coffee

08:48

<trochej>

Coffee

11:08

<trochej>

Coffee

11:08

<seanmcg>

more coffee ?

11:10

<trochej>

More is always good

12:07

<rajeshsr>

hi

12:07

<trochej>

Coffee?

12:07

<rajeshsr>

Can anyone tell me which distro of solaris to try, for a programmer.

12:08

<botox_>

rajeshsr: any?

12:08

<botox_>

which tools do you need?

12:08

<rajeshsr>

Can I try Solaris Express edition?

12:08

<botox_>

if you want to

12:08

<rajeshsr>

C compiler, C++, java, netbeans..

12:09

<botox_>

which c compiler?

12:09

<rajeshsr>

GCC, preferably...

12:10

<rajeshsr>

Actualy I have that Starter's kit thing distributed by Sun. I tried Belenix, but it suffers from a major problem, its grub doesn't load itself! I searched in net and I found that its hdinstaller for 0.6 is buggy!

12:15

<rajeshsr>

Is there anyway to overcome that bug of Belenix 0.6. Seraching at net, doesn't help!

12:17

<rajeshsr>

The grub entry tries tp boots via multiboot. But I get a message that is not valid.

12:17

<rajeshsr>

and it gave a new entry conatining kernel$, $ISADIR, etc..

12:17

<rajeshsr>

I tried that without any success..

12:19

<rajeshsr>

None to answer!

12:21

<TheK_>

rajshsr: I'm currently running opensolaris from http://opensolaris.org "nevada"

12:21

<TheK_>

rajshsr: This distribution is the current solaris strategy (although there are different oppinions about the new culture)

12:21

<TheK_>

rajshsr: Unfortunatly the install is a bit primitiv so you have to upgrade first (~2 GB download)

12:22

<TheK_>

rajshsr: then you got a nice system with a point and click package manager. Click sunstudio or netbeans

12:22

<TheK_>

and voila

12:22

<TheK_>

to upgrade be sure to follow these instructions:

12:22

<TheK_>

ehm.. looking for the instructions.

12:24

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, The main reason for my question is that, some of my friends can't access net to download so much! They need as much packages as possible from the DVD itself, as we have in Debian. I am looking for a good Solaris distro which satisfies this requirement.

12:26

<TheK_>

http://nivox.blogspot.com/2008/06/opensolaris-upgrade-boot-environment.html

12:27

<TheK_>

well.. I'm not going to recommend Solaris Express because it didn't work for me. I had troubles installing on the HD because "/" can't fit anywhere error and that was such a silly error that I didn't want to investigate it. :)

12:27

<TheK_>

Also, Sun has their marbles in OpenSolaris trademark

12:28

<TheK_>

rajshsr: Give me your address and I'll send you a copy :)

12:28

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: kristofer.pettersson@gmail.com

12:28

<rajeshsr>

OpenSolaris doesn't come with a lots of packages, does it? I mean at least the primitive programming stuffs like a C compiler

12:29

<_mary_kate_>

it comes with two C compilers

12:29

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: This is what I first thought, but the packagemanger is constantly expanding and after the upgrade there is more than enough

12:29

<_mary_kate_>

and two C++ compilers, and a fortran compiler. and a java compiler

12:29

<TheK_>

also you can use other package distirbutions like blastwave, SFE, LWS

12:29

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, without going for net?

12:29

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, In the CD itself?

12:30

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: sure, why not. :)

12:30

<TheK_>

oh.. you mean the live cd?

12:30

<TheK_>

no, that is pretty bare.

12:30

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, Yep, thats is what I used to install.

12:30

<TheK_>

It is a SaaS thing

12:31

<TheK_>

I'm not sure there will ever be a free CD which doesn

12:31

<TheK_>

require net access.

12:31

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, Then we have a separate CD other than Live CD which contains all things?

12:31

<TheK_>

Not as SaaS obviously.. You will need to by a box.

12:32

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, SaaS means?

12:32

<TheK_>

SaaS= software as a service.

12:32

<TheK_>

In this case the service is free :)

12:32

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, Ok considering my situation what do u think is good?

12:33

<rajeshsr>

I have some Starter's Kit distributed by Sun. It conatisn 2 DVDs-> 1 with Nexenta, Belenix, Schillix. 2. with Solaris Express.

12:34

<TheK_>

TheK_ jaws drop.

12:34

<TheK_>

ok then. :)

12:34

<rajeshsr>

So, Nevada is the latest distro of opensolaris?

12:34

<TheK_>

yes

12:35

<timsf>

No - nevada is the codename for what was to become Solaris "Next"

12:35

<TheK_>

It is neither Nexenta, Belenix, Schillix or Solaris Express though.

12:35

<rajeshsr>

TheK, oh!

12:36

<rajeshsr>

IS it really the best of all distros, which comes with most packages?

12:36

<TheK_>

timsf: What do you mean "was" ?

12:36

<rajeshsr>

I mean solaris distros..

12:37

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, Does it contain all programming packages?

12:37

<timsf>

I may be mistaken - perhaps "is". Choose a tense...

12:37

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: No. As I said, it is a SaaS driven distro. You use a package manager. You don't have to, but it is darn convenient.

12:38

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, so not much from CD itself!

12:38

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: What you are looking for is something static. A traditional ready CD which installs just what you need end of story, right?

12:38

<rajeshsr>

TheK, exactly!

12:39

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, something as bulky as Debian at least with maximal programming tools!

12:40

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, BTW, someone said something about Open Solaris. There also I need to download from net? Ot is it avilable in the CD itself?

12:40

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: Ok, I don't think you'll find it. Maybe Solaris Express is such a distro, but as I said, I didn't manage to get it runnig.

12:41

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, ok, thanks for the info.

12:42

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: Well.. perhaps I wasn't much of help. :) The different names are a bit confusing.

12:44

<rajeshsr>

I am facing that USB error, (SOF interrupt, hostcontroller blah blah..) which is a bug of solaris. Is there anyway other than disabling my USB?

12:44

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, :)

12:45

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: Nope, I don't have any knowledge of that.

12:45

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, k, thanks

12:46

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, tried any other solaris distro other than Nevada?

12:46

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: nexenta. It didn't suit me.

12:46

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: And I tried to install Solaris Express.

12:47

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, nexanata was a nightmare for me! Very cryptic installation!

12:47

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: I had some initial problems with Nevada as the image from opensolaris.org contains many bugs. But after the upgrade everything seems to rock.

12:47

<rajeshsr>

Gave up on seeing its installation interface!

12:48

<TheK_>

:)

12:48

<TheK_>

I think they have the wrong goals also.

12:48

<rajeshsr>

Belenix looks really cool! But its Grub entries seems buggy! Never know how to fix it! :(

12:49

<TheK_>

"Killing ubuntu" doesn't lead anywhere. Ubuntu is about helping children of africa. They had enough killing already. OpenSolaris will earn my trust when it slaughters Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle. :)

12:49

<timsf>

Uh - who mentioned killing ubuntu?

12:49

<TheK_>

TheK_ dares anyone in solaris claim that microsoft isn't good enough to compete with.

12:50

<TheK_>

timsf: nexenta

12:50

<timsf>

sigh.

12:50

<TheK_>

timsf: some ppl in #opensolaris has said that too.

12:50

<timsf>

trolls.

12:50

<TheK_>

:)

12:50

<TheK_>

timsf: you have to fight them all the time.

12:50

<TheK_>

TheK_ hides his tail

12:51

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, thats fancy dream!

12:51

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: a fancy dream is always the first step :)

12:51

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, But ver hard seeing how Ubuntu improves! :)

12:51

<_mary_kate_>

TheK_: you're probably using the wrong OS. (open)solaris doesn't care about "slaughtering Apple, Microsoft, and Oracle."

12:52

<_mary_kate_>

in fact, a lot of Sun customers use solaris to run oracle on

12:53

<TheK_>

_mary_kate_: Yes, Oracle customers are our friends, Oracle however charges per core for a reason and it isn't because they like Sun to have the gold.

12:54

<rajeshsr>

Not to forget, Sun now owns mysql!

12:54

<TheK_>

_mary_kate_: of corse the OS doesn't have the ambition to slaughter anyone. I'm way to political :)

12:55

<TheK_>

_mary_kate_: But it is a driving force for me to compete against the best businesses.

12:56

<TheK_>

_mary_kate_: You don't think OpenSolaris needs a driving force?

12:56

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: right! :)

12:56

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, Why can't that be, just "Develop OS for future"! I really like it!

12:57

<_mary_kate_>

i think the driving force behind (open)solaris is to produce a well-engineered OS that can compete with or surpass the competition

12:57

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, I wanna try Solaris becoz I have seen people mention abt its backend development like ZFS, some kernel optimization etc.

12:59

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, So that motto of developing OS for future goes well with what Solaris is doing!

12:59

<TheK_>

Well, as long ppl believe it. :)

12:59

<TheK_>

A successful product meet market expectation.

13:00

<TheK_>

"well engineered" is something I could say to my 8 year old son when he has build something in lego, and it wouldn't be a lie, just a different perspective.

13:03

<TheK_>

_mary_kate_: I spent perhaps 20h installing opensolaris. I'm not very smart but I'm very common. :) What are my driving forces?

13:06

<rajeshsr>

TheK, I think linux in its incipience wud have been confronted with same problems like solaris! Solaris is budding! An of course it needs to do a lot to meet market expectation, thats right! But I think solaris is going abt doing it, correct me if I am wrong.

13:07

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: I believe you are right. :)

13:09

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, Am just starting with solaris and I am not so sure of this statement! I just told those words becoz of what I heard from others..

13:10

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: alright! So tell me why you think it might not be true?

13:12

<rajeshsr>

rajeshsr, Nope, I don't think it is not true! It is and shud be true! But am not a huge fan of reinventing the wheel. I think why can't Sun use Linux kernel itself to make a kernel like Solaris, with its features etc. And use a linux distro itself instaed of a new Solaris one!

13:13

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, Uh that is to u! :)

13:13

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, Not for me! I dunno how I did it! :)

13:13

<TheK_>

haha :)

13:14

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, Take the case of some commands like mount, I find it deliberately wanting to differ from Linux! Take fdisk -l, many many slight differences!

13:14

<rajeshsr>

Dunno what is achieved by it!

13:15

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: Don't forget that Sun might have been first inventing this technology. Linux might be the system reinventing the wheel.

13:16

<holcomb>

gnu is not unix

13:16

<myrkraverk>

hi all, why would lpadmin not find my ppd file?

13:17

<rajeshsr>

But Sun really does a good job, with developing Solaris. But doing these things really seems a question to answer! :) May be it is matter of pride to write ur own kernel than to use an existing one! Considering the place where Sun (as a really great pioneer of various technologies) stands it is not impossible to think that way!

13:17

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: In fact Sun invented package management long before apt-get. I think your question contains the answer: The wheel must always keep reinventing itself or the hungry jaws of evolution will break it.

13:17

<myrkraverk>

even after gunzip, it still complains it can't find the .gz file (while I'm specifying full path to the actual .ppd)

13:17

<TheK_>

holcomb: very true :)

13:18

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, Is that so? Linux development of package manager came after Open Solaris?

13:19

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: I think solaris had package management before linux, yes. I don't remember the details, but I'm sure someone in this channel might.

13:19

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: however, they didn't have the same 'concept' of packagement as debian (now ubuntu)

13:20

<myrkraverk>

http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1185282 <--- details here

13:20

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: opensolaris is in my mind reinventing what debian reinvented :)

13:20

<trochej>

TheK_: Not really

13:20

<trochej>

TheK_: Debian != Ubuntu

13:20

<trochej>

That's one

13:20

<TheK_>

trochej: oh.. that wasn't what I ment

13:20

<trochej>

TheK_: Second, IPS is different in many ways from traditional package managers.

13:20

<holcomb>

svr4 packages were definitely first. that's not to say better

13:21

<trochej>

TheK_: I don't really know if I like it, but it's different

13:21

<holcomb>

ips is way out there.

13:21

<TheK_>

trochej: I ment I think Ubuntu controls the faith of apt-get and debian now.

13:21

<holcomb>

it gets stuff from a repo, that's about all it copies from apt

13:21

<trochej>

Yup

13:21

<TheK_>

trochej: yes, I agree. IPS is reinventing apt-get which is reinventing packgemanagement

13:22

<trochej>

TheK_: Thinking that way, .tgz is reinventing ./configure && make && make install

13:22

<TheK_>

trochej: no, I don't think so. try agai.

13:22

<trochej>

I won't. First, you'd need to have any sensible argument for your case. :)

13:23

<rajeshsr>

trochej, What is the difference?

13:24

<rajeshsr>

trochej, I mean how they differ from traditional package management?

13:25

<TheK_>

trochej: I have. I think you are blinded by technology. ;)

13:25

<trochej>

TheK_: Me? I doubt it.

13:25

<trochej>

rajeshsr: Read docs for ips. They explain it much better then I can.

13:25

<trochej>

s/then/than/

13:26

<rajeshsr>

>> "http://opensolaris.pastebin.ca/1185282 <--- details here" Does this load?

13:26

<TheK_>

trochej: I have, and you might as well have written IPS. :)

13:28

<trochej>

TheK_: So you say that ips is reinventing apt-get and apt-get is reinventing package management.

13:28

<trochej>

Noqw

13:28

<trochej>

Now

13:29

<trochej>

Package management is a very vague term, so we can agree, that .tgz from slackware is also a package management.

13:29

<trochej>

Primitve, yes, but it is.

13:30

<rajeshsr>

trochej, So what is ur point? Nothing is reinvented and that everything has its own uniqueness?

13:30

<trochej>

Since "reinventing" is rather negative term, meaning discovering the same thing anew, as a useless work, we can agree, that apt-get was a useless work to rework .tgz

13:31

<trochej>

rajeshsr: Mine? I wasn't saying that

13:31

<trochej>

rajeshsr: I'm just trying to understand the point TheK_ made.

13:31

<TheK_>

trochej: Don't let me interrupt your explination, but I strongly object to that "reinvention" is a negative term.

13:31

<trochej>

So I follow his statement.

13:32

<rajeshsr>

Actualy this discussion will be more creative if each of u clarified ur stance!

13:32

<trochej>

TheK_: Reinvention is strongly bind in the field of "reinventing the wheel", which points in this direction.

13:32

<rajeshsr>

At least I don't get who is standing for what! :)

13:32

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: hey :) We are limited to a certain key-strokes per second. one need to make short cuts where one can ;)

13:33

<trochej>

TheK_: The core "invent" stands for creating something new, but the prefix "re" in that connection means to do this again.

13:33

<trochej>

Re-invent means to invent the same again.

13:34

<vmlemon_>

rajeshsr: Sun already have a perfectly good kernel that they spent decades developing and tuning, if you want an answer for that question

13:35

<vmlemon_>

Moving to Linux wouldn't really buy them much in that regard

13:35

<trochej>

If you meant biulding something new based on previous work, it wasn't the word I'd choose. :)

13:35

<rajeshsr>

vmlemon, thanks, so solaris has a good history before it became opne?

13:35

<trochej>

rajeshsr: Being there in the high-end systems market for almost 30 years it better had. :)

13:36

<rajeshsr>

trochej, reinvent==Re-invent a product knowing that such a product has already existed! Just wanna make ur definition more concrete! :)

13:36

<ahmed-tux>

hi all

13:36

<TheK_>

trochej: Ok, would you consider that new inventions can be at the same time be a degree of bad as well as a degree of good? If so, reinvention can be "new" but "same" if you take the norm of those coordinates.

13:37

<trochej>

rajeshsr: But IPS and apt are not the same "such product". :)

13:37

<TheK_>

trochej: Reinvent here means finding new ways to reach people and technologies which might be "faster" than previously, although same. What word do you suggest?

13:38

<trochej>

TheK_: I'm looking. English is not my best language. :)

13:38

<TheK_>

trochej: not mine wither :P

13:38

<TheK_>

eigher

13:38

<rajeshsr>

trochej, At least they are same considering that they are "superficaillay" package managers! :)

13:38

<TheK_>

either.

13:38

<rajeshsr>

trochej, Functionally I think they are same!

13:39

<trochej>

rajeshsr: This is where you are wrong.

13:39

<trochej>

While their purpose is the same: installing and creating packages

13:40

<trochej>

.deb allowas for scripting, while ips don't (as I have read on sch blog)

13:40

<trochej>

s/allowas/allows/

13:40

<rajeshsr>

trochej, Isn't "functionally" mean that?!

13:40

<trochej>

rajeshsr: No, functionality means whole set of functions it performs.

13:40

<trochej>

Coffee?

13:41

<TheK_>

trochej: :)

13:41

<TheK_>

I just stilled coffe over my keyboard and trousers. It sucks.

13:41

<TheK_>

spilled. (im totally inventing new english words all the time)

13:42

<trochej>

And now, after quite a nice and entertaining, but pointless thread, I have to leave you. :)

13:42

<rajeshsr>

trochej, :)

13:42

<TheK_>

trochej: I'm sorry you think it was pointless.

13:42

<trochej>

TheK_: Who has changed their mind? :)

13:42

<trochej>

Not me, not you. :)

13:42

<TheK_>

trochej: But perhaps ou just know better than us :)

13:42

<trochej>

I doubt rajeshsr did either. :)

13:43

<TheK_>

trochej: we don't know this yet.

13:43

<rajeshsr>

trochej, hmm, In fact I didn't get ur guy's stance properly till now! :)

13:43

<trochej>

TheK_: And well, be honest. While it is fun to drill down the meaning of words, their conotations and denotations, in this channel it's rather offtopic and pointless.

13:44

<trochej>

:)

13:44

<rajeshsr>

trochej, But interesting!

13:44

<rajeshsr>

trochej, :)

13:44

<TheK_>

trochej: still, you invited yourself :)

13:44

<trochej>

rajeshsr: It was when I pursued a career in linguistics.

13:44

<trochej>

I quit when it got boring. :)

13:45

<trochej>

Now, I really need to go. Bye. :)

13:45

<TheK_>

bye

13:45

<rajeshsr>

trochej, Bye

13:46

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, me too am leaving! Looks like I will be starting my Solaris adventures with Solaris Express! :)

13:47

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: good luck! let us know what you feel about it!

13:47

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, sure I will be visiting this channel every day!

13:47

<TheK_>

:)

13:48

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, BTW u gave me ur gmail address. Do u mind giving it again? Can I send u a friend request?

13:48

<TheK_>

rajeshsr: not at all. networking is fun

13:49

<TheK_>

ie I don't mind. :)

13:49

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, gmail id plz? I missed it..

13:49

<TheK_>

kristofer.pettersson@gmail.com

13:50

<Gekz>

lol.

13:50

<Gekz>

TheK_: you just signed yourself up to a lifetime of spam

13:50

<rajeshsr>

TheK_, friend request sent, kindly assent to it, when u visit gmail..

13:50

<Gekz>

how do you feel?

13:51

<TheK_>

Gekz: I'm a trusting person. i don't regret it.

13:51

<Gekz>

it's in google now

13:51

<Gekz>

>_>

13:57

<chrisr>

hi

13:58

<chrisr>

is anyone here good with networking/interfaces?

14:30

<chrisr>

anybody know anything about aggregate interfaces?

14:34

<seanmcg>

chrisr, ask the question, some ppl may answer.

14:41

<Jomyoot>

does opensolaris support java?

14:42

<Jomyoot>

and all other binary for solaris?

14:42

<cypromis>

yes

15:07

<Jomyoot>

are there production sites running open solaris?

15:08

<seanmcg>

joynet

15:08

<seanmcg>

sorry, thats joyent.com

15:09

<abhi_>

hi i am unix network and system programmer. now working in ubuntu environment . I want to contribute in opensolaris project. can anyone tell me how can i do this?

15:10

<timsf>

abhi - how would you like to contribute?

15:10

<seanmcg>

abhi_, if its code you're into, try digging into some of the bugs here: http://opensolaris.org/os/bug_reports/oss_bite_size

15:11

<abhi_>

seanmcg, : yes i am intersted in coding

15:12

<seanmcg>

abhi_, get familiar with the code and the process at: http://opensolaris.org/os/participate, thats got pointers to getting the code, building it etc...

15:12

<abhi_>

seanmcg, : i have gone to that site and click one bug . it only gives the description. i can't get it clearly

15:14

<seanmcg>

I'd start by getting familiar with the code and building it first, that can be some effort on its own..

15:16

<abhi_>

seanmcg, : i am completely new to solaris . so from where i should start?

15:18

<seanmcg>

at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/communities/participation theres links at the left side to 'Get Involved' and 'Get the Source' and others. Some browsing ahead of you.

15:23

<abhi_>

seanmcg, : got it. so what you did in opensolaris.

15:25

<abhi_>

is it possible to compile opensolaris in ubuntu?

15:25

<evocallaghan>

no

15:25

<evocallaghan>

are you talking about cross compling

15:28

<timsf>

Possibly, if you're willing to run inside a virtual machine on Ubuntu - it'll be slow though.

15:30

<seanmcg>

abhi_, ?

15:30

<abhi_>

seanmcg, : got it. so what you did in opensolaris.

15:30

<seanmcg>

are you asking what I did/do with opensolaris ?-)

15:31

<abhi_>

seanmcg, : involvement

15:31

<seanmcg>

I work for sun :)

15:32

<abhi_>

seanmcg, : great. are you in solaris or in other technology

15:32

<botox_>

seanmcg: good for you..

15:32

<botox_>

i work for jesus

15:33

<seanmcg>

botox_, I hope that works out for you :)

15:33

<botox_>

likewise

15:33

<botox_>

praise the lord

15:33

<botox_>

botox_ passes back out

15:33

<seanmcg>

abhi_, I work with solaris, and Sun hardware.

15:34

<abhi_>

evocallaghan, : how can i compile the solaris if do't install it..

15:34

<sartek>

gmail is down?

15:34

<bda>

sartek: No.

15:34

<seanmcg>

abhi_, get virtualbox, it'd be slow as timsf said, but you can compile it there...

15:34

<sartek>

bda: thx

15:35

<abhi_>

seanmcg :ok, few days back i tried to learn linux kernel programming. it was quite difficult . is it so in case of solaris.

15:35

<_FReeZ>

Hi. Can you please tell me about any documentation to set static routes and networking? Everytime I boot I have to perform ifconfig and route. Creating my rcscript is the old way, so what is the new way, then?

15:36

<evocallaghan>

Hi

15:36

<seanmcg>

abhi_, with solaris kernel programming theres more documentation explaining things...

15:36

<evocallaghan>

_FReeZ:Hi

15:36

<_FReeZ>

Hello evocallaghan =)

15:37

<evocallaghan>

http://ultravioletos.blogspot.com/2008/04/sxce-and-basic-networking.html

15:37

<evocallaghan>

Check that out

15:37

<evocallaghan>

abhi_, There are some great docs on the matter at docs.sun.cmo

15:37

<evocallaghan>

s/docs.sun.com

15:38

<abhi_>

evocallaghan, : ok.let me see it.

15:38

<evocallaghan>

abhi_:Anything in particular your looking for?

15:39

<_FReeZ>

Thank you, evocallaghan

15:39

<evocallaghan>

np

15:39

<abhi_>

evocallaghan, :I just want join or can contribute to opensolaris with my unix programming knowledge.

15:40

<evocallaghan>

abhi_:Great ! Maybe install SXCE instead of using a VM.

15:40

<_FReeZ>

abhi_: Do you know that Linux drivers are usually not commented, at all? How can I learn to create them?

15:40

<abhi_>

_FReeZ, : can't get you.

15:41

<evocallaghan>

abhi_:http://www.opensolaris.org/os/communities/participation/

15:42

<evocallaghan>

and http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/40.17

15:42

<FrostCS>

I am seeking world peace.

15:42

<_FReeZ>

abhi_: When you want to create kernel driver for some device, because it's missing, how can you learn that ? There is no doc like "writing solaris device drivers" and I haven't see any comments in current drivers. All I see is something like int rdcr(int cs, int ls) { ...some ioctls and hexadecimal values... }

15:43

<abhi_>

evocallaghan, :ok, few months back i have installed the sxce but it does't boot during second boot. and it took more than 2 hr to install. does these things changed

15:44

<abhi_>

evocallaghan, and seanmcg: help _FReez

15:44

<FrostCS>

help him? what about my cause? isn't world peace important?

15:45

<_FReeZ>

abhi_: I'm asking specifically you, because I'm quite curious how to learn it without documentation + without comments.

15:46

<abhi_>

_FReeZ: i am just like you . new to solaris. asking others how to learn it. so how can i help you... :)

15:46

<evocallaghan>

_FReeZ: Read that http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-3196?a=load

15:46

<evocallaghan>

FrostCS: No rest for the wicked ;)

15:47

<_FReeZ>

Great, thx a lot

15:47

<evocallaghan>

np

15:47

<evocallaghan>

We really should have docs.sun.com in /topic ..

15:55

<abhi_>

i am just confused with various versions of opensolaris . few months back i received a opensolaris starter kit. it contains nexeta,belenix,schillix. but a opensolaris.com there is only one cd version of opensolaris is available...

15:55

<abhi_>

what is it.

15:56

<evocallaghan>

abhi_:Yea, just download SXCE

15:56

<evocallaghan>

b96 is out and 97 is very close

15:56

<abhi_>

evocallaghan, : where to get it .

15:56

<evocallaghan>

I would skip 96 for 97. I am hoping there are going to be profomace improv due to SS12

15:57

<evocallaghan>

opensolaris.org/os <-- click where it says "Download" :p

15:57

<seanmcg>

evocallaghan, it'll use the SS12 for b99..

15:58

<abhi_>

evocallaghan, : could you tell me what is difference between express and opensolaris and nexeta.

15:59

<evocallaghan>

Forget nexenta, opensolaris is a ubuntu-like solaris thing that is broken for the moment. Maybe a bit better when os2008.11final is out. So just stick to express as its the closes to a Solaris 10 Beta

15:59

<evocallaghan>

seanmcg:Really !?

16:00

<abhi_>

evocallaghan, : is it close to 10 or 11

16:01

<evocallaghan>

10

16:01

<evocallaghan>

As there is not 11

16:01

<evocallaghan>

s/not/no/

16:01

<Tempt>

What *are* you jabbering about?

16:01

<abhi_>

evocallaghan, : ok

16:01

<Tempt>

I won't start for this jibber-jabber in my courtroom.

16:01

<Tempt>

SXCE is like a preview release for a potential Solaris 11. It isn't a Solaris 10 beta.

16:02

<evocallaghan>

Tempt:If you say so

16:02

<FrostCS>

stand*

16:02

<Tempt>

It has a traditional Solaris 'feel', packaging system and filesystem layout.

16:02

<evocallaghan>

I made it short and sweet, please do carry on about all the fine details

16:02

<Tempt>

Whereas "Indiana" or 2008.* is a different 'distribution' and has a different filesystem layout, packaging system and 'feel'.

16:03

<abhi_>

seanmcg, : does sun have any plan to roll out a opensolaris cd just like novell release opensuse and suse.

16:04

<Tempt>

Well, you can get a free OpenSolaris CD from opensolaris.com

16:04

<Tempt>

It boils down like this, for a developer

16:04

<abhi_>

Tempt: Indiana is different from solaris

16:04

<evocallaghan>

evocallaghan falls flat on face.

16:04

<Tempt>

If you want to build stuff for a Solaris target, want the broadest possible appeal or want to develop something that will see commercial use in the forseeable future, develop on SXCE.

16:05

<Tempt>

If you want to fiddle around and tinker with new packaging systems or don't have the time to learn basic commands, grab 2008.*

16:07

<abhi_>

Tempt: some where in sun site i read that SXCE is build from opensolaris. is it true

16:07

<Tempt>

Sadly, Sun made some silly decisions with naming.

16:08

<Tempt>

It's the OpenSolaris codebase, yes. The reason why people refer to "OpenSolaris 2008.11" etc as "Indiana" is to differentiate.

16:10

<abhi_>

Tempt, : I think i got it ... SXCE = Indiana-fancy stuffs

16:10

<Tempt>

No.

16:10

<seanmcg>

abhi_, no :)

16:10

<Tempt>

SXCE = Traditional Solaris with New Features

16:10

<Tempt>

OpenSolaris 2008.11 = Indiana

16:10

<abhi_>

ooh

16:10

<seanmcg>

Indiana has new installer and new package management

16:12

<abhi_>

seanmcg, : oh like this. then sun should keep SXCE separate from opensolaris.

16:13

<Tempt>

Either way, if you want to develop; subscribe to some mailinglists, install something and get to work. Ignore the twisted naming pretzel and cut some code.

16:13

<seanmcg>

the codebase (ON, Operating System/Network) for SXCE and opensolaris 2008.11 is much the same.

16:13

<Tempt>

If you want suggestions on what to work on, I'm sure posting to opensolaris-discuss mailing list will get you plenty of hints and suggestions.

16:22

<abhi_>

when will be Solaris Express Community Edition CD - Build 97 will be released

16:27

<paul>

hmm.. why does LU fail with out-of-space errors?

16:29

<paul>

it created the root pool restricted to 4G, why?

16:29

<paul>

rpool/ROOT 14G 18K 0K 100% /rpool/ROOT

16:29

<paul>

rpool/ROOT/snv96 14G 3.9G 0K 100% /.alt.tmp.b-dKd.mnt

16:29

<paul>

sorry, the BE for the new root.

16:30

<paul>

there's no mention of a parameter to specify size..

16:30

<paul>

(for lucreate)

16:33

<dj2>

has anyone gotten the error zfs_parse_bootfs error 6 when upgrading from build 86 (opensolaris install)

16:34

<paul>

dj2: what did you do?

16:34

<dj2>

i attempted to upgrade

16:34

<dj2>

the grub stuff is installed correctly

16:34

<dj2>

but i get the zfs error

16:34

<dj2>

i can still get into my old be just not the new one

16:35

<paul>

oh, opensolaris - i dont know i'm afraid.

16:35

<dj2>

http://gibbs.acu.edu/2008/07/19/opensolaris-upgrade-instructions/

16:35

<dj2>

that's what i did

16:35

<seanmcg>

abhi_, perhaps in about two weeks I think.

16:37

<abhi_>

ok

16:40

<paul>

so is there some undocumented argument i can pass to lucreate to tell it to make the zfs root BE bigger?

16:40

<tsoome>

just give enough disk for it....

16:42

<paul>

tsoome: i did

16:42

<paul>

rpool/ROOT/snv96 14G 3.9G 0K 100% /.alt.tmp.b-dKd.mnt

16:44

<paul>

paul assumes its restricted the zfs BE to 4G for some reason

16:48

<paul>

aha, its cause its configured a 10G dump fs

16:48

<tsoome>

dump it:)

19:39

<DottorZero>

Iam using xVM, can I use the zvol device directly from fdisk guest or should I first use newfs from dom0 ?

19:40

<Teknix>

DottorZero: I'm pretty certain you should do the former

19:41

<_mary_kate_>

the xen volume appears like a hard disk to the domU

19:41

<_mary_kate_>

do you newfs hard disks before you install them in new computers? ;)

19:42

<DottorZero>

I am trying to use fdisk inside a guest over an attached zvol (as hdb) and after gave the w command I see a lot of driveready errors

19:42

<vmlemon_>

Well, I'm sure most people partition them, if that counts for anything

19:43

<pavelj>

did anyone of you guys upgraided from b95 to 96 and run xVM?

19:43

<DottorZero>

Upgrading Solaris: 97% completed

19:44

<pavelj>

i had some weird behaviour after upgrades with xVM not working and all, but never the less opesol kicks ass

19:45

<skywalkgr>

hello every1

19:45

<pavelj>

hey

19:46

<e^ipi>

e^ipi finds a 'o', 'n', and 'e' key kicking about

19:46

<e^ipi>

you lost these.

19:46

<e^ipi>

here you go.

19:46

<e^ipi>

now you can use them from now on

19:49

<jbk>

afternoon

19:50

<e^ipi>

i guess it is, yeah

19:50

<jbk>

sup?

19:50

<e^ipi>

nm

19:51

<pavelj>

ok, i'm back

19:52

<pavelj>

has anyone triend zfs send\recv from solaris to pensol and vice versa?

19:52

<pavelj>

or knows that it might have problems?

19:52

<e^ipi>

the vice versa bit may not work if you are using a newer version of ZFS than the recieving end

19:53

<pavelj>

i have opensol on my laptop

19:53

<pavelj>

and before the upgrade i've learned about this functionality (which is awedome!!!)

19:54

<pavelj>

so i've backed everythive backed up everything using zfs send to one of my solaris servers at work

19:54

<pavelj>

*awesome

19:54

<e^ipi>

oh, wait, if you're just backing things up, you can store the binary dump anywhere

19:54

<e^ipi>

another solaris box, tape, windows, whatever

19:54

<pavelj>

yeah but those are docs and stuff

19:55

<pavelj>

i meen i like the fact its like a copy but way cooler and i have the whole snapshot and incremental backup thing also

19:56

<pavelj>

so, when i've restored everything back after the install of 96, i got a system panic after a reboot trying to mount zfs filesystems

19:56

<pavelj>

and the safemode crahes also

19:57

<pavelj>

i got curious, installed b95 and 96 on 2 more stations, and i get the same crash

19:57

<pavelj>

any ideas?

19:59

<pavelj>

well i guess not

19:59

<pavelj>

so i'm off to sleep

19:59

<pavelj>

good night everyone

20:01

<_FReeZ>

Hello, I'm using OpenSolaris on i386, and some special keys don't work. For example home, end, pageup, pagedown. Any suggestions?

20:01

<tsoome1>

man stty

20:02

<e^ipi>

you can also use a shell which supports that, like /usr/bin/ksh93

20:03

<