are they any jersey people here?

the jsr311 thing, not the crap state

hahaha

fwiw, no one has spoken yet today :)

I'll ask in 3 hours, when the sun people wake up!

jdlee is a sun person and awake

:)

though I don't do anything with jersey

what do you do then?

glassfish admin console

oh nice

i like it ;)

does it let me upload jdbc drivers yet?

I filed an issue like a million months ago

not yet, but it seems like I saw some activity on the tracker regarding that

oh nice

yeah, that would be

jdlee looks at the tracker

issue 3355 :)

i'm going to vote on that one :)

hehe

the actual upload would be easy. i'm not sure how much work it would take to make the app server aware of the new jars w/o a restart, though

should be possible, but that's not my area :)

its fine if it pops up a msg saying you need to restart now

jdlee nods

it'd be a good first step

that would be the easy way...

certainly

basically the console should never force you to drop to command line or faffing about with the fs

jdlee nods

i really wish we could restart the entire app server from the console (I even filed an RFE for that forever ago), but I'm getting rumblings that that won't be added any time soon if at all

yeah, not surprised

how would you do it? Apps generally arent good at rebooting themselves

i'm not sure. there was talk about keeping the startup thread around and using that, but i think kedar or jerome nixed that

fwiw, oc4j does allow that. one of the few things they got right :P

this issue might be of interest to you: https://glassfish.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3897

that poses versioning/upgrade issues, but is an interesting take on the issue

ohyeah,t his was very annoying too: https://glassfish.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3354

such an easy thing to fix!

yeah...

i'll either add myself to the cc list or take ownership and see if I can get that don after we get v3 prelude out

anissa: mornin'

good morning

anissa: i think issue 4315 is a dupe of 4314

looks like 4315 was an accident :)

let me see

exactly, you are right

i will mark that dup.

ok

i was just looking at some issues hani brought up and saw those

These days i only query on DEFECT

jdlee nods

for HCF, that's probably best :)

so do the jersey people hang out here?

or do they have their own channel, or are they all slackers?

i don't have an answer for that :)

i don't recall seeing any jersey people here or in #glassfish-webtier (a new channel rajiv recently created)

so they're slackers

you might need to email them and ask them to join

could be :)

you can always tell the slackers by how long issues are ignored for

hehe

time for breakfast...biab :)

jdlee is back

hani!

ummm.hi!

[pwgr] is _tenchi_

ohyeah!

just recognised the name

wouldnt guess i'd ever see you on freenode

yeah I hate freenode

but I need to yell at some people about jersey

and as is often the case, the people that need to be yelled at are hiding

they have their hands full with maven and all of its antics

keeps one quite busy

haha, yes, they're so silly

half the time svn doesnt build

with internal maven errors

and you end up with useful artifacts like this: http://download.java.net/maven/2/com/sun/jersey/jersey-bundle/0.11-ea-SNAPSHOT/

shameful

(note the size of the sources jar)

that must have been run through maven's fancy ultracompress plugin

yeah...maven has really burned us thus far :|

is it really benefitting in any area?

i think so

if we can solve some of the dep issues, I think we gain a lot

pom "inheritance", project structure, etc.

maven solves those issues ?

or your saying those issues are with maven?

the build has been a lot more stable recenently, so maybe The Powers That Be are getting a god handle on things

solves those issuse

not that Ant can't do that, but we get those free with maven

"free"

you pay with blood ;)

I dont

i had to learn the maven lession 2 years ago

hehe

i thought I'd drop maven some time ago, but as I learn it more, i've found it to be mostly usable

there's still too much gotta-hold-your-mouth-right issues, but I've found them easier to stomach as I learn more

robilad waves at hani

hey

so, still no jersey people around?

jersey?

i dont think they hang here

where do they hang out?

no idea... this channel seems to have shrunk

jdlee: you get the issues for free? ;)

some days i feel as though ive driven anyone off with my bad habit of spreading my misery and complaining

over a year ago, I asked on the dev list for more Sun engineers to come on to IRC, and there was a brief flurry, but most either didn't stay on for more than a few weeks, or log on and just idle :(

there are a few of us ;) now, but not as many as I'd like

robilad: haha

fwiw, a recent build of trunk gave me 500+ jars in the m2 directory

most of which probalby aren't used

probably the biggest problem with transitive dep management

and for each one of those m2 had to go out and do half a dozen separate http requests

so it took about an hour.

dispicable

in better systems, the repository access tool just goes out and fetches the contents once.

there's some investigative work down with nexus, which would be awesome. if we could point to ONE repo, and let that one proxy/cache artifacts, I think a clean build would go a LOT faster, as there would be *1* network connection per artifact, not 12

and then figures out what needs to be done, locally, and does it.

well, the idea of having poms as little xml snippets that you're supposed to traverse remotely is just so enterprisey.

well, it IS GlassFish Enterprise Server :P

probably works great if your repo is running on your laptop and you're hitting localhost like a pro

what would you suggest as an alternative system?

is kind of silly if your repo is half the world away. ;)

dpkg, et. al. have a single file the package manager downloads (or just a partial update since the last update) that has all the information on packages in the repo.

so it connects once, then you have all the data you need localy to figure out what you need to update/download/etc.

so it's one network connection for all artifacts to get the information + N connections for N artifacts you actually download.

robilad: ah! i see what you mean

but all java-specific solutions in that repo/module space suck pretty badly, so ... it's not really a big deal.

you're caching on the client all the packages on the server, their deps, etc, so you know what to download and where to get it

that might be a nice maven plugin

you kind of expect to see enterprise java repo management systems stuff to emulate linux from 1992 ;)

haha

rajivm: good morning :)

rajivm: hani is looking for some jersey people. that's not your group is it?

jdlee: yeah, async comms arent very useful in debugging

jdlee: eg, right now I have an NPE deep in jersey, and I bet posting a stacktrace will be useless for it

jdlee nods

IRC+pastebin has been veru useful for me

http://pastebin.us/?show=d7725802e

i have created a SessionCustomizer but only postLogin is perfomed

why postBeginTransaction doesn't invoked when i do a entityManager.begin()

this code is on a standalone application

session.getEventManager().addListener(this);

:(