medwards: Do you know the approximate time of day they're online in here, if at all?

nikolaj_a: no, but watch for alex_smirnov

And here I walked around thinking his name was Sergey...

Oh well :)

a big chunk of exadel's dev team is out in the Ukraine or something so whatever times are logical there... but then again we all tele commute and do weird hours right?

medwards: Haha, you're right about that.

nikolaj_a: maybe, Nick Belaevski and a couple of other guys tend to be the ones handling my bugs. But Smirnov is who I've spoken to before.

But Ukraine is very close to my timezone, so I should have a chance.

btw http://snapshots.jboss.org/maven2/org/richfaces/ui/richfaces-ui/3.2.2-SNAPSHOT/

for the latest ui snapshots.. go up past the ui directory and into framework to get the other jars

medwards: That's the newest snapshot?

yup. Its as bleeding edge as you can get... except not so much because they keep fixing bugs... so less bleeding... it's like those soldering irons that don't burn you...

Isn't soldering metals usually around 400 degrees Celsius? I wouldn't touch those with my bare hands :P

Aren't soldering metals *

nikolaj_a: naw I saw an ad for it and I've seen it in action somewhere

dude just sticks the freaking thing on his hand and you're all like "*WINCE* oh ma-- wtf... he's fine?"

Still not anything I'd like to try :P

Bungee jump is higher on my wish list at least :P

hey nikolaj_a

edited: Hi buddy :)

whats up

I'm at work :(

i just got back from work

It's 2 AM here.

working late?

We have a release on Monday and we got an issue report on performance earlier today (that is, yesterday now).

oooo not good

So yeah, I'm working late :)

ive been working like almost 10-12 hrs days

They're a bunch of whiners! I already told them how long time the script takes to run. They didn't react until now.

got a release on tuesday....and got about 10 bugs

They've know it for more than a week now.

we have a off on monday

Haha, you mean you're SUPPOSED to have Monday off :P

lol well im going on vacation starting friday

for a week

Nice :)

so its on rest of the team.....we have about 10 bugs open and possibly more coming from testers

I'm starting school again next week. As if I weren't busy enough as it is...

At least there a tons of pretty girls there :D

Which is more than what I can say about my company. Loads of brilliant developers. Not so many pretty girls.

hahaha nice

u getting masters?

Which is to be expected, I guess :)

Not yet, still only a bachelor.

obviously, otherwise you wouldn't be going on about pretty girls :P

It's evening classes so it takes a while to get done.

medwards: Hahaha :D

medwards: Even if you're married you're still allowed to look, you know ;)

Besides, it's never nice to look at ugly girls. Married or not.

Perhaps I shouldjust go gay and be done about it :P

Then I'll be happy all the time :P

cool

theres no harm in looking

ed1t: I know they're throwing parties all the time. There seems to be a lot of action going on all the time.

blah I know that guys, christ. I'm just enjoying the double-meaning of bachelors in that context

nikolaj_a: u married?

medwards: Haha, I understood it :)

ed1t: Nope

perfect

:P

im probably starting my masters next year

ed1t: Which subject?

computer science or MBA

dunno yet

ew... business...

I'm on the MBA now.

medwards: Haha, it's not so bad really.

nikolaj_a: u doing any specialization in business?

medwards feels dirty from talking to you.

Well, I'm on MBA, except I'm not on the master yet :P

if i do MBA....ill probably do finance

ed1t: I haven't decided yet.

if i do computer science....ill probably specialize in databases and security

ed1t: I'll probably end up doing Financial & Process Management

nice

But I haven't really decided yet,

I still have four years left :P

And that's only for the bacjelor.

bachelor *

I still have two more years before deciding on specializations.

i miss those college days

It's 8 years ago since I finished my AP in computer science. I actually started missing school :O

I never started missing having no money, though :P

heh

"Clicking right button not allowed"

god some websites are so dumb...

anybody here really good at ajax and html?

not nikolaj_a or I.

we're completely clueless.

So don't ask us.

medwards: Haha, I found a site which didn't allow copy-paste. They didn't check for right-clicks, though :P

~smack medwards

javabot smacks medwards in the mouth

u 2 work together?

~nikolaj_a--

nikolaj_a has a karma level of 2, medwards

Pretty sad since we're pretty much the only ones here :P

nikolaj_a: violence just gets you bad karma

medwards: Only if you don't do enough violence :P

ed1t: nope, we just both ended up using RichFaces which makes us partners in crime in a lot of ways.

Which is a universal fact about violence actually. If it doesn't help, you haven't done enough.

lol

medwards: Yeah, I'm beginning to regret that decision...

nikolaj_a: eh, I figure it'll work out in the end. Especially our shop.. all RAD, our clients are such tools that finesse isn't something they want to pay for.

medwards: Haha, I think that's a universal truth about non-IT savvy customers.

Erhm, I meant non-IT savvy managers.

They forget that nice-looking stuff makes everyone more eager to use it. And people will even believe it works better, just because it looks good.

Even if it actually more broken.

I do wish that the RichFaces guys would make a better solution with the skinning, though. That's a load of crap in my opinion.

I don't think anyone has done better in the JSF world...

nikolaj_a: have you ever tried to get two different skins in the same application ?

but yeah.. submit a feature request man... "Expose skin colours to EL"

yaramhsenger: Nope, I looked at it for a bit and then completely gave up.

hopefully things will get better when JSF 3.0 is out by JavaOne

JSF 3.0 ?

lol

2.0

not 3.0

ed1t: I hope for some improvements in JSF 2.0 already :D

2.0

with glassfish v3

ed1t: I still have a problem with the login module, by the way.

I can't get a hold of the datasource from JNDI from inside the custom realm.

ok. the worst thing is, they have almost the same limitations with portlets skins since 2002... and we have the same problem with skins in 2008.

ill play around with it

ed1t: I'll commit my stuff when I get home then.

nikolaj_a: dev stuff gotta put on a hold now...we need to find a html/ajax guy

we're up to that point we need those pages done...so we can plug stuff in

ed1t: I think a designer will do. I'm fine with doing the HTML stuff if I have some pictures to work from.

ed1t: I'd prefer it like that actually.

i can do JSF

ed1t: Designers have a tendency to make... uhm... f*cked up html.

lol

And they have no notion of browser compatibility either.

specially if they are using a tool like dreamwaver... , and have no clue on what they are doing...

yaramhsenger: Exactly.

Don't get my wrong, Dreamweaver is very cool. As long as I get my slimy hands on the source afterwards :P

yes, I understand your point. I am not complaining on Dreamwaver. But as in Java, using the tool is not enought, it's important to know what is behind. As a programmer with an IDE os a designer with Dreamwaver.

*os = or

alright, heading home guys...

cya later

medwards: Thanks for the input on the calendar stuff.

good night

yaramhsenger: You're right. I'm not going to lie to myself, though. Designers will never be good at html, and I'd rather have a good designer make be cool stuff and then do the html myself, instead of a crappy designer who knows html (like myself for example :P).

nikolaj_a: I agree with you. But I would bet a good designer, making cool stuff, with some knowledge in HTML would get even better oportunities.

nikolaj_a: learning every day. Getting better and better.

yaramhsenger: Of course. I was just suggesting that it's two very different skill sets, and the design part is vastly more important since a programmer can handle the html stuff along with the back-end code.

nikolaj_a: You are right! It's also hard for a programmer...CSS and JavaScript are a very complex world...

nikolaj_a: good night! It's too late here...

yaramhsenger: Sleep well :)

nikolaj_a: thank you. same to you

ed1t: I just found out that my little brother started on an education called "web integrator", which basically seems to be teaching him Flash, Photoshop, Dreamweaver etc :)

Too bad it'll take him a couple of years to be any good at it.

it will be good for his experience

ed1t: He's a complete newbie as it is. He doesn't even know what html is.

ooo

ed1t: Do we have a feature list ready?

ed1t: Just with the basic stuff.

not let write one up quick....ill upload all the docs in our google apps docs

ed1t: We have that? :)

yep

check your FC email

ed1t: I can't log in.

password didnt work?

ed1t: Nevermind, I just needed the correct link :)

heh

Argh, I can't decipher the damn captcha!

Four tries needed.

can u see me editing live?

ed1t: Yep :)

im just defining the terms

damn i had a good idea other day...now i cant remember

i think i mentioned it to u....do u remember?

ed1t: I know the feeling.

I wouldn't know. I had kind of a rough weekend. One of my friends finished his classes... Lot's of beers for me ;)

heheh

ed1t: I'm just adding some stuff.

ed1t: Just to avoid any confusion.

oooo

ooops i just deleted your stufff...thinking it was gliche and google docs copied my stuff

hehe

lol

Does undo work?

I haven't gotten your changes yet.

yea undo works

its acting weird

It's probably not capable of handling more people changing it at once :)

At least not on the same lines.

did u see the feature i added?

ed1t: Yes, sensitive field type.

what do u think of those 3 features?

i think smart fields will be our selling point

its kinda hard to implement though

ed1t: Of course it isn't :)

We just need a shit-load of built-in "algorithms" to calculate the values.

And perhaps some sort of macro language, though people probably can't figure out how to do that. It's too "Excel power user"-like.

im starting to realize that this can be soo dynamic that it can replace soo many daily tasks and probably blow most of the todo, online organizer sites away

ed1t: Hopefully :)

I can't wait to do integration with other apps.

how do we wanna organize the packages?

ed1t: You mean the Java packages?

no

like pricing

jdlee staggers off to bed

rlubke: sent you an email. only if you have the cycles, though. :)

jdlee: ok

jdlee: when do you need comments by?

i was wondering in facelet why use jsfc="h:inputText" can it coexist with <h:inputText> </h:inputText>

ahh ic for designers not aware of jsf

tags

on more by using <jsp:root> is this generating the <!DOCTYPE blahblah > for .xhtml

dtd

tnx

Any RichFaces devs in here? :)

how can you implement a cancel button to cancel a form submition with required fields?

redrebel: Cancel a form?

yes

redrebel: You mean resetting it or navigating to another page without submitting?

like, if I have registration form, i wan to cancel it,

neither

stay in the same page

Then I don't understand what you want.

but hide the form and another component

or for example, on one page I have a multistep registration form

where the user can click next to continue

I want to user to go back and forth

Put a command button outside the form?

The "Previous" button as it is.

redrebel: I think you can do some tricks with immediate="true" also, but I haven't tried it.

redrebel: Yes, immediate="true" on the Previous button would also work.

redrebel: http://radio.javaranch.com/gthought/2005/01/04/1104874993000.html

morning

jdlee: Hey.

:)

anyone mind a netbeans question?

I created a project for a JSF component library

I noticed there were built in libraries for JSF but not for JEE

am I just somehow missing the libraries for JEE or do I have to make them manually?

raydecampo: Aren't they added if you attach a JavaEE server to your project?

nikolaj_a: They were added to the web application project

raydecampo: Ah, I didn't read your question closely enough :)

raydecampo: Perhaps there's a plugin with the necessary jars, then.

I looked for one but did not find it

Which is not to say it doesn't exist :)

hello

duuuuude :P

Hehe

:)

i was wondering if anyone has tried using jsp to authenticate with active directory

i would hope not

duude: Don't you mean the other way around? :)

i would hope the JSP would somehow delegate to a class written specifically for that in Java, which has been quite a lot

yes nik

sorry for the poor english

duude: I've done LDAP, JDBC, custom auth and File. Saw an auth mechanism for WinNT once, but I haven't tried it.

duude: There's also for Solaris auth.

so u know anywhere i could find some help doing it with ldap

Google?

that google guy knows everything

Read up on javax.naming, javax.naming.directory and javax.naming.ldap

bah. google is so passe. just not cuil enough anymore.

8^)=

heh

cheeser: you're such a yahoo!

cheeser: hehe...i'm just msn with you

cheeser: I hear it works better if you alter Vista

~raydecampo

nikolaj_a, I have no idea what raydecampo is.

raydecampo: hahaha

~smack raydecampo

javabot smacks raydecampo in the mouth

:P

jdlee: Sun's got you pretty busy.. heh?

it does :)

jdlee: the msn joke was pretty funny :D

on fun work that matters, so that's a nice change :)

dragonOfTheWest: thanks, but I think raydecampo trumped me :P

jdlee: I hear ya..

it will help when JSFOne is over (with which Sun is not involved on my behalf), but I'll finally have my evenings back :P

rogerk10: how's the ajax part of the spec coming along? i know you and some of the ajax experts have been having side discussion, which is probably wise

jdlee: I sent out what we are doing for EDR a couple of weeks ago... Did you see the email?

rogerk10: if the API is stable, I may try to implement that in Scales, at least on the client side, so I can get Ajax support in and make migrating to JSF 2 easier...

rogerk10: i thought I remembered seeing that... lemme dig that up

yeah..8/14...even starred it in gmail :P

perfect. thanks.

is that in trunk yet?

jdlee: https://javaserverfaces-spec-eg.dev.java.net/nonav/.../JSFAjax-EDR2.html

jdlee: yes

jdlee: I'm refining a few things for EDR, but it's basically there.

awesome

there's still a bunch of stuff that has to be done before PFD as outlined at the bottom of that doc

rogerk10: noted

edburns has uploaded the EG aeudio.

audio.

edburns: did you review the training material as noted by Tony yet?

rogerk10: found a typo, btw, in case you want obnoxious feedback like that :P

rogerk10: No, is that due today?

tomorrow

edburns: tomorrow

rogerk10: lovely.

edburns: I'm trying to do mine now, but I can't see where it is a web based training.

jdlee: keep the obnoxious feedback coming... ;-)

ok

kinda minor: under Server Side API Changes / Additions and javax.faces.component.UIViewRoot, there is this: "Most of this new funcionality"

missing ''t"

so if isAjaxRequest() returns true, the partial* methods are called, and the DF-inspired XML is returned to the client, right? in a nut shell...

ah, altavista. how I miss you so.

hi

how are you?

edburns tries to use the new suntea.

i'm creating a simply hello world jsf app with MyFaces and tobago, when i try to deploy it in tomcat, i get a ClassNotFoundException: com.sun.faces.config.ConfigureListener, this class should be in the Myfaces implementation jars right ?

Core-Dump: no

edburns does the training.

that's a Mojarra class

but the myfaces implementation replaces the sun implementation right

so there is no need for the mojarra jars?

um...sure :)

personally, I'd use Mojarra, but as a Mojarra dev, I'm biased

either way, though, you need only one impl

your option here is to use only the myfaces jars and change an reference to that Listener in web.xml to whatever it is the MyFaces provides, or remove any myfaces jars and just bundle mojarra

i'd do the latter... hehe

my web.xml is really very basic, it contains only servlet and servlet-mapping

jdlee the mojarra hello jsf already runs :) i'm trying out different implementations

so i'm probaly missing a web.xml entry to point to the correct myfaces listener ?

do you have any mojarra jars in your CP? with mojarra, at least, configuring that listener manually is not required

jsf-api and jsf-impl are mojarra jars

no, i removed the jsf-api and impl.jars from the myfaces project

strange

ahh i had a jsf_core.tld in web-inf/tld folder, i think that mixed up things, now i get different error :)

progress! :)

i'm having a hard time to get those things to work reliably, there are so many ways to mess up things

you shouldn't need to do anything with the TLDs. Mojarra, at least, bundles those and they're picked up automatically

just drop in the two jars, map your servlet and mapping, and deploy, i think

yep, just the api/impl +commons+jstl+standard, i guess once i figured out those common errors i seem to make it will be a better expirience :)

Mojarra has fewer deps, fwiw

we no longer need the commons jars

oh really?

as of...1.2_04, iirc

rlubke could confirm if you're interested

and if has time/is around :)

yeah right, it works without them

1.2_05

thats nice

rlubke: thanks

so only the jstl.jar is needed additionally to impl and api

i dont' use jstl, so no :)

i have the two mojarra jars and the facelets jar

i deploy to GlassFish, so it provides some EL jars that facelets needs, and might even provide a jstl jar I didn't know I needed :P

i *think* the JSTL jar is only needed if you're using JSP

gotta run, thanks for the help jdlee

can I implement a file download through JSF?

or I'm forced to use ExternalContext?

i'm not sure what "through JSF" means, but I think you'll ultimately have to use ExternalContext to set mime types, content dispositions, etc

that's what I do in Scales, and i'm sure that's what a4j:mediaDownload does as well

Hi 2 All

I am greatly surprised and feel good to find irc for jsf

jdlee ...can I to use JSF ResponseWriter to implement a file download?

Please help me to fix my problem with jsf

flashboss: not that I know of, for what that's worth. see above

Anybody know which jsf release is compatible with richFaces?

I tried to find out it on jboss.org but no success

When my web app starts I see SEVERE: Exception sending context initialized event to listener instance of class com.sun.faces.config.ConfigureListener

java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: javax/faces/component/ActionSource2

I am really frustrated

I dont know how it can be

I use jsf 1.1 and richfaces-ui-3.2.1.GA

Please give me link into jsf 1.2 library for download

TOV_: Try https://javaserverfaces.dev.java.net/

jdlee: yo

hi

So tell me please can richfaces be use without myfaces?

TOV_: yes. richfaces doesn't depend on any one impl

As far as I know

strange

I get error

TOV_: in fact, jboss 4.2 ships with mojarra, and I've used richfaces+mojarra on both GlassFish and OC4J

Didn't this happen in reverse yesterday?

yes me too

I use richfaces+moraja

I have add these libs 2 min ago

but here is other mistakes

errors

As far as I can see myfaces moraja need it independent config in web.xml?

So I read rich faces docs

There no said about configuring faces-connfig in web.xml

Its very strange

[ERROR,AbstractFacesInitializer] An error occured while initializing MyFaces: null

rlubke: I'm happy to say the SunTEA replacement is acceptable.

However, it does not use JSF :(

So myfaces in this case need its own independent config?

rlubke: Hello?

edburns: Anything is better than SunTEA

TOV_: I thought you were eliminating MyFaces?

rlubke: No, it's definately possible to make something worse than SunTEA.

edburns: i couldn't log in th'other day... 500 server error :)

raydecampo: no I added it and myfaces in my project now

TOV_: If you were on MyFaces before, the path of least resistance to get to JSF 1.2 would be to use the MyFaces implementation of JSF 1.2

raydecampo: Its bery strange of all

They easily could have screwed this up, but I'm happy to say that it's acceptable.

edburns: Time for a quick call regarding spec-323?

TOV_: You need to pick one or the other (MyFaces or Mojarra)

raydecampo: I have add jsf 1.2 already

rlubke: Can I get these damn schema changes in first?

I have downloaded mojarra

edburns: Sure. Can talk after the tech meeting (10am)

mojarra-1.2_09-b02-FCS-binary.zip

I added mojarra

So should I now delete myfaces?

rlubke waits for a comment about mojarra from cheeser

Yes; they provide the same thing

tnx

TOV_: which application server are you using?

tomcat 6 0 18

And the biggest mistery for me its why rich faces config shoukld not be configured in web.xml

it supports servlet 2.5 right?

yes

just checking

in myfaces there was a param javax.faces.CONFIG_FILES

but here is smth mistery

hehe

and this is funny

org.springframework.beans.factory.BeanDefinitionStoreException: IOException parsing XML document from ServletContext resource [/WEB-INF/example-servlet.xml]; nested exception is java.io.FileNotFoundException: Could not open ServletContext resource [/WEB-INF/example-servlet.xml]

haha

:))

I didnt create any example and etc

spring--

hehe

what is the shit?

I need take it away

jdlee grumbles

but where is it?

Did you add spring to the project?

course

much time ago

looks like a spring configuration issue

Yes it began after I add mojarra

Did you have spring integrated into JSF before?

yes

before jsf 1.2

Everuthing was working good

and now this example

I even dont know where this config can be

Perhaps you should check your configurations and make sure none were MyFaces-specific in some way

rlubke: mojarra's great. what would you like to hear?

8^)=

?

I assume you are not using the spring web framework

ah

what?

I use spring

spring servlet and params are configured in web.xml

spring is big

all libs were added

so you are using the spring web framework

sure

I use mojarra and this is terrible

e.g. I use spring but not the web framework, just the container

unexisted contexts and files thats cool

My app is so small now

I am try to configure all and lead my app till the login page

Now I am trying to understand why I see example-servlet.xml

this record

spring mvc should never be used.

If you never indicated that file name anywhere, I would assume it is a default

why?

hm

I even cant find links to this file if my project folder

it's just a bad framework.

In total commander text search

Even in jar files

A little Googling suggests that maybe you named your servlet "example"

no

Again there is no string "example" in my project folder even in jar files

Really, this is a spring problem; I don't see what it has to do with jsf

bad

with jsf 1 1 everuthing was ok

if you say so

but I don't see how whatever JSF implementation you are using is going to cause the Spring DispatcherServlet to start looking for its application context in the wrong place

see

by the way

Particularly in the place where this sample application has it: http://fisheye1.atlassian.com/browse/springframework/spring/.../web.xml?r=1.4

ok tnx

by the way

If my spring servlet

named like "myservlet"

I need file WEB-INF\myservlet-servlet.xml

right?

I don't know, I don't use the Spring web MVC stuff

see np thanks

hey

howdy

im having trouble setting up authentication using active directory

anyone know a good tutorial?

ahm

wrong place

look at yours servlet container documentation

ldap

rlubke: The meeting is at half past, right?

edburns: correct

all they give is asp stuff, and its useless

duude: in web-app you have security-constraint. How it is protected/authenticated/authorizated is up to servlet container

thanks

hey anyone whats best to use in facelets .xhtml or .jspx

adollff, jspx ?

adollff, xhtml has a good support with jboss tools :) (eclipse)

ic

so you mean .xhtml is the preferred facelet view extension

petia i see .jspx uses <jsp:root> does this have advantane

advantage

adollff, i'm not expert but i think yes it is

(xhtml)

ic tnx

hi i have facelets template with ui:insert elements but i would like to insert somewhere inside this template jsp:include to my servlet can i do this ?

yamaguchi: jsp:include includes a jsp template, o other hand ui:insert operates on component tree, defined in facelets template

I don't think Facelets has hat capability out of the box

s/hat/that/

so it can't be done ?

rlubke: What's the access code}?

but you could probably make a tag handler to do it fairly easily

when i add jsp:include i get error in my browser: Tag Library supports namespace: http://java.sun.com/JSP/Page, but no tag was defined for name: directive.page

edburns: 9032012

Hmm

I tried that.

yamaguchi: Facelets are not JSP pages, you can't just use JSP tags in them

i mean Tag Library supports namespace: http://java.sun.com/JSP/Page, but no tag was defined for name: include

Must have dialed the wrong number.

Oh well.

do i have to declare jsf taglib in xhtml

I'm in now.

because i read its a fist class citizen in facelets

jsp tag library != facelet tag library

i mean jsf taglib

i wanted to render html page so head section will be servlets job and body section facelets job

jsp about text, facelets about components

hmm..

adollff: See the Facelets developer documentation for examples: https://facelets.dev.java.net/nonav/docs/dev/docbook.html